revised qualification for 2005 K.W. worlds
10-13-2005, 10:53 AM
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revised qualification for 2005 K.W. worlds
see SBI website today The short version seems that if you ran wed AND sat AND sun in the same class then you qualify for same class for this years worlds
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10-13-2005, 11:28 AM
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so the only race you have to race is the Worlds from the year before to be qualified for this years Worlds? that should make it interesting...
10-13-2005, 12:02 PM
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WOW !!!! thats what it says allright.
FROM SBI SITE:
"We have received many inquiries pertaining to the eligibility requirements and clarification for participating in the 2005 Key West World Championships.
The current rule (pg 60, rule #2 or #3) reads “must have started two (2) SBIP/APBA or UIM National/Divisional races in the same class during the current year”. It has been ruled the definition of “current year” is the term of the membership, which is from November 1, 2004 to October 31, 2005.
Since the current year would encompass the 2004 World Championship race, several teams have asked if that event would be counted as two events. Since the World Championship is actually a dual event, this question has merit. The team must have raced Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday of the 2004 World Championship to constitute two events.
Therefore, the decision has been made that if you participated in the Key West World Championships in 2004, you ARE qualified to participate in the same class for the 2005 Key West World Championships. If you did not race in the 2004 Key West World Championships your must still follow the rule book, page 60 rule #2 or #3."
Kevin Brown, Chief Referee
John Carbonell, President
FROM SBI SITE:
"We have received many inquiries pertaining to the eligibility requirements and clarification for participating in the 2005 Key West World Championships.
The current rule (pg 60, rule #2 or #3) reads “must have started two (2) SBIP/APBA or UIM National/Divisional races in the same class during the current year”. It has been ruled the definition of “current year” is the term of the membership, which is from November 1, 2004 to October 31, 2005.
Since the current year would encompass the 2004 World Championship race, several teams have asked if that event would be counted as two events. Since the World Championship is actually a dual event, this question has merit. The team must have raced Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday of the 2004 World Championship to constitute two events.
Therefore, the decision has been made that if you participated in the Key West World Championships in 2004, you ARE qualified to participate in the same class for the 2005 Key West World Championships. If you did not race in the 2004 Key West World Championships your must still follow the rule book, page 60 rule #2 or #3."
Kevin Brown, Chief Referee
John Carbonell, President
10-13-2005, 12:05 PM
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Therefore, the decision has been made that if you participated in the Key West World Championships in 2004, you ARE qualified to participate in the same class for the 2005 Key West World Championships.
Wouldn't this ruling have allowed the OSS teams to race in Key West? The ruling doesn't state that teams had to be registered with APBA in 2004.
Further clarification is needed.....
Wouldn't this ruling have allowed the OSS teams to race in Key West? The ruling doesn't state that teams had to be registered with APBA in 2004.
Further clarification is needed.....
10-13-2005, 12:53 PM
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I have said that all along.......
The Key West World Championship were the 1st races of the season for the following calendar year!
I am glad finally somebody actually pushed the issue.
That also should mean your points collected over those races should count towards your current season...Right???
The Key West World Championship were the 1st races of the season for the following calendar year!
I am glad finally somebody actually pushed the issue.
That also should mean your points collected over those races should count towards your current season...Right???
10-13-2005, 01:09 PM
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If you look at P-Class qualifications for Worlds eligibility, the rules state “registered hulls must start in a minimum of two (2) SBIP/APBA National/Divisional Events in any Division prior to the World Championship Event”
Chattanooga is effectively holding three “events” this weekend, awarding places in The Chattanooga Mile, Chattanooga Closed Course Speed Runs, and Chattanooga Offshore Grand Prix; looks like participating in and any two will qualify you for the Worlds.
Not a 2005 SBI/APBA member? Register the boat as Divisional ($300), join SBI/APBA under the one event membership ($100)....total coat $500.
Entry Fee...........................................$500
Membership.......................................$ 500
Total Cost to qualify for the Worlds.....$1000
Hitch up the rig and head to Choo Choo town…..all you gotta do is cross the start line. The action starts tomorrow!
Chattanooga is effectively holding three “events” this weekend, awarding places in The Chattanooga Mile, Chattanooga Closed Course Speed Runs, and Chattanooga Offshore Grand Prix; looks like participating in and any two will qualify you for the Worlds.
Not a 2005 SBI/APBA member? Register the boat as Divisional ($300), join SBI/APBA under the one event membership ($100)....total coat $500.
Entry Fee...........................................$500
Membership.......................................$ 500
Total Cost to qualify for the Worlds.....$1000
Hitch up the rig and head to Choo Choo town…..all you gotta do is cross the start line. The action starts tomorrow!
10-13-2005, 05:50 PM
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Ron,
The ruling is any boat that ran KW in 2004 has qualified for 2005 !!!
All boats that are qualified to race the Worlds in 2005 must still register for the new season with SBI/APBA. So to answer your question ALL BOATS SBI / APBA / and OSS teams that raced 2004 KW Worlds have qualified their 2 race min. as stated in the rule book.
The ruling is any boat that ran KW in 2004 has qualified for 2005 !!!
All boats that are qualified to race the Worlds in 2005 must still register for the new season with SBI/APBA. So to answer your question ALL BOATS SBI / APBA / and OSS teams that raced 2004 KW Worlds have qualified their 2 race min. as stated in the rule book.
10-13-2005, 05:54 PM
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Frank,
The points collected over those races in Key West should count towards the current season...Right???
The points collected over those races in Key West should count towards the current season...Right???
10-13-2005, 09:09 PM
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It looks as if that this announcement is extending the olive branch to the offshore community, creating the opportunity for unification that the majority of us have been longing for.
After reviewing the SBI/APBA Rule Book, it appears there is a way to unify SBI/APBA, OSS, OPA, GLSC, and POPRA under one big tent. After all, the groups are not really that far apart, they have the same rules, just worded differently, and each does the same thing, put on offshore powerboat races…each with their own flavor.
The mechanics are in place that will allow all groups to unite for a World Championship, and with a little creative interpretation of the SBI/APBA rules, emerge into 2006 as one unified offshore racing world. Do yourself a favor, read the SBI/APBA General Rules and every time you read the word “Association” or “Member Club” plug in GLSC, OSS, GLOPRA, OPA or whoever you like to call your home team.
A little tweak here, a little tweak there, and WALA. If unification is what you truly want, the opportunity is here and the time is now.
As for those who would to turn this into something negative, American journalist, Sydney J Harris said it best, “If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem”.
Ken Doyle
After reviewing the SBI/APBA Rule Book, it appears there is a way to unify SBI/APBA, OSS, OPA, GLSC, and POPRA under one big tent. After all, the groups are not really that far apart, they have the same rules, just worded differently, and each does the same thing, put on offshore powerboat races…each with their own flavor.
The mechanics are in place that will allow all groups to unite for a World Championship, and with a little creative interpretation of the SBI/APBA rules, emerge into 2006 as one unified offshore racing world. Do yourself a favor, read the SBI/APBA General Rules and every time you read the word “Association” or “Member Club” plug in GLSC, OSS, GLOPRA, OPA or whoever you like to call your home team.
A little tweak here, a little tweak there, and WALA. If unification is what you truly want, the opportunity is here and the time is now.
As for those who would to turn this into something negative, American journalist, Sydney J Harris said it best, “If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem”.
Ken Doyle
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10-13-2005, 09:39 PM
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I happened to look at the SBI site yesterday and noticed this at the bottom of the page. I also interpreted it as a means of allowing everyone to race together for a unified World Championship if they were there last year. 
good questions about the points...it seems then that the points accumulated last November should count.....
I see this as a very positive move
good questions about the points...it seems then that the points accumulated last November should count.....
I see this as a very positive move
10-13-2005, 11:45 PM
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They should set something up for next year for any two starts anywhere counts towards the worlds, let sbi, oss, opa, the california club all have there races and a national if they would like, crown there national champs and everyone race under sbi for the worlds since they have key west locked down as a site, its by far the best site. ( the two starts really killed us this year)
10-14-2005, 12:24 AM
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Re: revised qualification for 2005 K.W. worlds
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Ron,
The ruling is any boat that ran KW in 2004 has qualified for 2005 !!!
All boats that are qualified to race the Worlds in 2005 must still register for the new season with SBI/APBA. So to answer your question ALL BOATS SBI / APBA / and OSS teams that raced 2004 KW Worlds have qualified their 2 race min. as stated in the rule book.
The ruling is any boat that ran KW in 2004 has qualified for 2005 !!!
All boats that are qualified to race the Worlds in 2005 must still register for the new season with SBI/APBA. So to answer your question ALL BOATS SBI / APBA / and OSS teams that raced 2004 KW Worlds have qualified their 2 race min. as stated in the rule book.
That 2 start rule has always been in the APBA UIM rulebook. This was never the ruling in the past. If so, a boat could just run at the Worlds and not anywhere else throughout the year. The two start minimum was to prevent exactly that. That's why no one could argue with John's reply to OSS about having two APBA starts in 05. Now, a complete reversal of that decision?
The Worlds are the last races of the season. It's only becuase of when registration money is paid that it has an overlapping effect. Your actually saying that last years worlds and this years worlds, are in the same year.
If last year was 04 and this year is 05, then how could the 04 races qualify anyone for the 05 season?
If last years races were the 05 worlds, and this is the 06 worlds, please show me who won the 04 worlds.
It's a good effort to get more boats to run in Key West, however this kind of creative thinking should have taken place many months ago. I truly wish it had.
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10-14-2005, 02:26 AM
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Apparently, the most sacred race in offshore is the Key West World Championship. Otherwise, the countless conversations, web posts, and opinions expressed would not have been devoted to the subject.
Arguably, the Key West World Championship races have created the most dissension between OSS and SBI/APBA this year. However, lets not forget that there are other benefactors of the decision to count the 2004 Worlds races as qualifiers for the 2005 Worlds, most notably the teams in the Central Division who had no opportunity qualify for the 2005 World Championships due to the absence of qualifying races in their area.
As Albert Einstein observed, "We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." The decision to revisit this contentious subject and find a solution to one of the major issues that has plagued the offshore community for the past several months is in my opinion, commendable. If we can keep the momentum of this type of problem solving moving forward, without getting bogged down in the muck of finger pointing and accusations, there is a chance of making real progress toward what should be our goal for 2006, unification of offshore powerboat racing.
It seems inevitable that someone will complain when something good comes along. Reminds me of the guy who found a one hundred dollar bill on the sidewalk and complained about how he had to find someone who had five twenty dollar bills to make change. Your fellow journalist, Sydney Harris, whom I quoted before was right.
Respectfully,
Ken Doyle
Arguably, the Key West World Championship races have created the most dissension between OSS and SBI/APBA this year. However, lets not forget that there are other benefactors of the decision to count the 2004 Worlds races as qualifiers for the 2005 Worlds, most notably the teams in the Central Division who had no opportunity qualify for the 2005 World Championships due to the absence of qualifying races in their area.
As Albert Einstein observed, "We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." The decision to revisit this contentious subject and find a solution to one of the major issues that has plagued the offshore community for the past several months is in my opinion, commendable. If we can keep the momentum of this type of problem solving moving forward, without getting bogged down in the muck of finger pointing and accusations, there is a chance of making real progress toward what should be our goal for 2006, unification of offshore powerboat racing.
It seems inevitable that someone will complain when something good comes along. Reminds me of the guy who found a one hundred dollar bill on the sidewalk and complained about how he had to find someone who had five twenty dollar bills to make change. Your fellow journalist, Sydney Harris, whom I quoted before was right.
Respectfully,
Ken Doyle
10-14-2005, 06:50 AM
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Ken, very good. The bottom line is if you want to race Key West, Come and Race!
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10-14-2005, 06:52 AM
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Ron,
I'm not sure what part of this you are not getting ?? It is not a reversal of any rule but a clarification. The 2004 Worlds is the start of the 2005 season, and someone ask a question and it was answered.The board reviewed the rule book and replied quickly as always .
Nothing has changed, the rules stand and still say that ALL boat must race 2 SBI races to qualify for the 2005 Worlds in KW !!! Also remember that the winners from the Worlds last year qualify to run the 2005 Worlds.
The boat count will be what it is and I'm sure from the teams that I've spoken to it will be another great year at KW like always. With teams from SBI/APBA/OPA/OSS/POPRA/UIM this should be a true Worlds again as it was last year.
I'm not sure what part of this you are not getting ?? It is not a reversal of any rule but a clarification. The 2004 Worlds is the start of the 2005 season, and someone ask a question and it was answered.The board reviewed the rule book and replied quickly as always .
Nothing has changed, the rules stand and still say that ALL boat must race 2 SBI races to qualify for the 2005 Worlds in KW !!! Also remember that the winners from the Worlds last year qualify to run the 2005 Worlds.
The boat count will be what it is and I'm sure from the teams that I've spoken to it will be another great year at KW like always. With teams from SBI/APBA/OPA/OSS/POPRA/UIM this should be a true Worlds again as it was last year.
