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1989 Skater / Douglas Marine Offshore Racing, 32' A classic Skater currently set up for racing but could be retro-fitted for pleasure. Ran 130's with 850 engines.
Being sold without engines as they were recently sold.
Comes with triple axle aluminum trailer.
Equipped with fresh #5 drives built with all the correct HD 1.61 gears/etc.

Is a 1.61 gear ratio an overdrive or underdrive?

This boat was probably ran really hard and I know that, but what do you guys think it is worth?

I'm looking for a diesel project and this may be the one if I am ready in a few months.

Ernie

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pics were not showing

the cover looks to come off and have some extra seating

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There is one on ebay right now with arnesons, its the new 32b.

Im also interested in doing a diesel app, let me know how it goes. We are neighbors.

Curtis

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Depending..... Upon the diesel you want to use, the 32A does not have sufficent bottom surface area to support the displacement of a heavy diesel. 1500 lbs ea. so to speak.

Now, a duramax 850 lb engine would be fine, but not a Yanmar.

The 32' B has a larger sponson and can carry the weight better than the 32' A. For a diesel look for a larger boat like the 36' Skater or small engines.

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Not sure why you say that, there is only 210 lbs diff between a merc 525, and a yanmar 480hp.

Add a multispeed tranny to use all the torque.

CM

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cummins 5.9 with twin turbos....cnc ported heads
750hp
2200-2500 ftlsb torque
but redlines at less than 3k rpm

I'm looking into the heads and waterjacked exhaust... may have to build and dyno the motor then decide on a boat

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This sounds pretty cool!

With that rpm limit are ya going to run Multi speed trannys?

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I'm thinking a 3 speed... paddleshift.. I don't have a clue what the trannies are gonna cost

Pat Wiesman?? maybe he will chime in

Ernie

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A 525 engine, not drive package weighs around 900 lbs +/- a Yanmar 480 is 1480 lbs without gear or water in the engine.

Big difference and the Yanmar is Longer which would not fit in the 32'A as a BBC barely fits.

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I got the weight off of mercury's web site. Where do you find that cummins motor ? How much does it weigh ?

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I started getting interested in diesel sport boats years ago. I had been researching cummins for a while, and I found out the diesel nationals were in out at the track in Houston, we went and I'll post some pics later. The guys racing are going really primative with the motors compared to what most are trying to do with offshore, and I personally thisk a year of track passes/tractor pulling with the same motor and no rebuilds is harder on a diesel then running in an offshore. These guys were brutal to their motors... one guy drove his truck from like Maine, and the only change he did before he ran at the track was a set of slicks. I don't remember the time but it was damn impressive.. I'll post some pictures of the "primative stuff" I am taling about later.
most don't have ported heads, and have what I assume to be very restricted airflow.

Ernie

oh and as for your question, I'm still researching, but I'm gonna build the motors.

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Curtis are you going to the Miami Boat Show? I have a relative to stay with down there, and haven't decided whether to go or not. My wife says I'm not going to buy anything, so is it worth it just to look at all the new "stuff" of are there any diesels there?

Ernie

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I havent been to show in years. In the past there is only big diesel stuff for the sport fisherman etc.

Hopefully someone will come out with something soon. It doesnt seem that hard to marinize one of these dudes, just getting into the computer.

Curtis

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There are "rumored" to be a few people displaying at the show with the modified duramax engines.

Come Feb. we will see.

Yanmar has a booth. Cumins, Cat, etc. Never know what will be outside in the tent.

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here are some pictures of the motors.... the intakes are home depot stuff and aren't even flowing well, but with 80+ lbs of boost I guess it doesn't matter in the 1/4.. but running for long distances, this will cause really high egt's

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more of that truck

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this is a "professional" puller motor

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here is the real deal a full dragster with a 24 valve motor, computer ect.

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Check out the smoke, how ya gonna keep the stern clean ?

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that is when it is laoded up and they are dumping the fuel to it... they clean up pretty good by half track.... if I do this there will be some pissed off environmentalist though... and I'll use an underwater exhaust exit.. most of the smoke will end up in the lake.. "clear lake" isn't clear anyways...

btw: there is a 38 fountain in OSO classifieds with cummins in it, but they are bone stock... like 300 hp I think

Ernie

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Look at the size of the freakin turbos.


Thats some pretty wild stuff...The Torque must be killer.

She runs a little rich. Black transom forsure!:D

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I have to ask. Why would you want to put diesels in any sport boat? Heavy. slow and will KILL the resale value. A Skater with diesels is like putting a Duramax in a Corvette.

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whats the asking price, do not see it in want adds, what is the condition of the hull, in 89 skater made those with several different types of materals.

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I have really bad luck with gas power...

like gino luck... but his power seem to stay together...

but anyways... my main reason is how long will you hold your motors on the wood? WOT.... I say after 5-10 minutes you are probably ready to back out of it, and even at 80% throttle you are worrying about valves and exhaust temps after a few minutes... plus rebuilds evey 50-100 hrs.... I'm not saying that the diesels are perfect, but they are definately more reliable.... I have been interested in it for a while, and maybe I cant afford to build a bunch of extra motors. I want to build some that will stay together and not worry about it.

If the diesels are a big flop, which I don't think they will be because there are a few using them.. I have herd of a 50' shrimp boat with 6cyl cummins doing 60mph.... and those motors are 200-300lbs heavier than a big block... take a seat out and make the fat guy sit on the sidelines and watch.. their fuel consumption is better which means the tanks can be smallr saving weight

Ernie

btw... I have seen some diesel sport cars

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Durabilty, Economy, Efficiancy.

Whats the matter with doing 80 to 100
for 2 hours straight?

When the Hp and weight difference catches up too
there gas counterparts. You may see more of them.

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80 to 100mph would be WOT in a diesel at the very best. I cruise at 1/2 throttle at that speed for hours. I think diesels are great in certain applications like shrimp boats and trucks. They last a long time and get decent fuel econmy. You do not see sports cars with diesels and you will see very, very few sport boats with them. I can think of one MTI. It would be nearly impossible to sell without taking a big hit down the road.

PS. I have this diesel Corvette for sale, it not very fast, it is not balanced with a heavy Duramax, but it gets good milage and will run 500,000 miles before a rebuuld. What will you give me for it? Sorry I could not resist the jab here.

If your want a 100 mph boat that is reliable, put a couple 502's with Arnesons and it will run for years and years. The two 502's will be cheaper than those diesels as well.

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Point taken!



Topspin80 Ya may want to cross off Brad's name on your
"Who may wanna buy my boat List".:eek:


Please keep us posted on your project.

Gerry

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the diesel in that green truck was an old bus motor and the guy has a total of 8k in it... he has years of drag racing under it and hasn't had any problems at close to 1700hp and 2000+ ftlbs torque... and he thought 8k was alot to spend on one.

Ernie

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[QUOTE=Brad Zastrow;1988516]

PS. I have this diesel Corvette for sale, it not very fast, it is not balanced with a heavy Duramax, but it gets good milage and will run 500,000 miles before a rebuuld. What will you give me for it? Sorry I could not resist the jab here.


the real deal: I have this full sized dodge truck that outruns your zo-6 vette and puts out 1500+ ftlbs of torque to the rear wheels runs 10.90 1/4 miles and will do this over and over all day then run truck pulls and all with me and 3 of my buddies in the cab as well as a full tank of fuel. btw... I paid 10k for this old junker and haven't done any reall machine work on it, just a bigger turbo and injectors. HOW MUCH DO YOU HAVE IN THAT VETTE?

Ernie

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Wouldn't the real deal sound more like "I've got an 80 MPH Skater that I pay $15,000 a year to insure"?

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No as the speed and the fact that it is diesel would lower the insurance premium to a more reasonable level. That is unless you are not a reasonable person to isure, i.e. accidents, a lot of claims, dui, etc.

No one pays $15K/yr for a slow skater.

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Like I said diesels have their place. Trucks and shrimp boats.
Sounds like you have a fast truck. If you want to be the first to install big heavy diesels that will make a 32 boat handle like crap... go for it.

PS: I do not have a Corvette. I was only trying to make a point. My sports cars have 10 and 12 cylinders. Gasoline.

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I am very proud of you and your unlimited supply of money... I don't even own a diesel truck myself I just know the specs of a few that are around and what these guys have spent on them...

There are many other threads on here about diesels in boats, why have you chosen this one?

here are some others for you
http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/s...ghlight=diesel

Ernie

there are a few cats with them already