Outer Limites vs Fountain ???
 

Last week I had a conversation with a SKATER guy about Pete building a single engine 399 VEE. My belief is that Pete is able to build a 10 foot longer boat....faster and better priced. He has the most advanced bottom in the world.............TRUST ME...... It has been copied............ I know !!!
LETS HAVE YOUR INPUT ?

why would you want to build a 39 single engine boat....the point of the 29 is to be able to have a smaller boat that is easier to handle for most people...

this is just turning into a "who's dick is bigger" match...first it was OL and fountain...now it's OL and skater...

I have to agree with some of your thinking......but would an avid boater want a longer......lighter boat......for less money.....................with smother ride ?
Especially a SKATER.............THX SPIDERMAN !!!

Well, true, but it's just improbable...if a person is looking at a 29....size is usually a concern. I agree, but then again, there's allot of boats out there, what would the resale of a 39 with a single engine be, after the owner was done ordering it if he went to sell it...the market would be slim to none. That's just my logic. :)

You would be surprised............

Who in there right mind would buy a 29 OL V for $199,000?
Who in there right mind would buy that MTI for $1.7 or $1.3 million with 66 hours on it?

Oh wait it has a pop up stereo, that should add $1 million to the price lol

So you're saying Skater is offering a single engine 39' pleasure vee that will run faster than a comparable 29 OL with equal power... and for les $ on top of it??? If so, that I would have to see to believe! :eek:

We may never know....... knowing Pete like I do...........I would bet my life on it !

Sounds like it'll be a hoot docking on a windy day...

I just thought about this...you're telling me Pete has some special way to lay up a 39 that will bring the weight down under the 4k and change the OL is with a single engine...

I'm sorry but you just sound STUPID...

that'll be a great boat in a rough sea...what's it going to have, a steering wheel, no cabin......and that's it? haha this is absurd..

Would Never own another single eng. Boat again!!!! 39' single......waste of $$!! I am a Skater guy through and through ,but when I buy another V it will be an OL42 for sure, top of the line cockpit, cabin, ect.

Tell you what dude if that criteria can be met, ill buy the first skater 39, let me know and ill put down a deposit

You wouldn't be able to maneuver the boat ( as someone earlier mentioned) without a bow thruster. Spidey quit smokin your web.

Bla.....
 

hah, hah, hah! Good one.

Even though, I am not a vee bottom guy....I like my training wheels on my rides. I have pondered that idea for years. When I was watching the 399 Spiderman Skater Vee dominate in Super Vee with 525 mercs. If memory serves me right it was running 117mph and I can't remember if they were limited by gear ratio to run faster. I am pretty sure they had gotten 700# weight penalty to create parity in the class and it still ran 117mph.
It seems to me you could drop a complete engine package (1000#plus)....add a 700 hp or more merc package and have a 399 Skater Vee that would run 100mph maybe more. The advantages I see would be Fuel cost, a better center of gravity, savings on the cost of one less engine package and the priceless look going around someone's twin engine vee. The disadvantage of docking in the wind....I have seen plenty of twin engine vee's have issues docking in the wind, simple solution....bow thruster... it make the worst of us look good, when docking.
I know Pete has a vee up their that could be converted into that project, just don't tell him I sent ya. I might get a phone call.

In a vee bottom, longer and lighter NEVER equals smother...

Took the words right out of my mouth!

Longer and lighter never equals smoother............. I agree only because you run in unperdictable waters, not an indy track......call paul tracy !

howerver the extra lenght in a vee is a plus IN MOST ALL CASES...........

Chris, just curious, where did you come up with "Spiderman" Are you still affiliated with Skater?

So what would happen if NT built a 43 single out of tinfoil?

That's what I was wondering. He says he worked there 11 years. What does Spiderman have to do with Skater now?
He seems to advertise Skater a lot and supposedly has somone that wants to buy Gus's SLW388.

No affiliation......Just a pilot now......I have a great deal of respect for Pete, the company and emploee's

SPIDERMAN....Well.. it was the greatest project Pete came up with for a new model !

Incase people do not know spiderman ran so fast when racing (117mph) that the boat was accessed an additional 700#'s and still ran 117mph............go figure......???

Where did Cavanti53 come from..........just wondering ?

As long as I can remember Spiderman has always added beneficial input to the threads he participated in.
Never seemed to me to be a one sided, or blinded fan boy who drinks the Hi C.

I have no idea who he is other than from what I read in his posts.

p.s. I am a lifetime martial artist, I have competed alot and the cross choke is my favorite finishing technique. This is what brought me to XChoke. 3 = my lucky #

If a 3 way !.......horsepower ? , no cabin & open ?
 

What do you guy's think is EVEN TO EVEN ?

:lolhit:

Hatter........ Play nice !

No bias either way here, just wondering and fact checking. If the race 399 ran 117 with 525's, why does the one that LOTO shootout with big power only run in the 130's (if I remember correctly).

I seem to recall reading something to the effect that there were significant handling issues at or around that speed. Regardless, that's still moving!

With the Loto Shootout, it is a rolling start @ 40 mph and the finish is a mile later and running....only in the 130s is pretty impressive, I think. I don't believe the 525 399 could have reached 117 in that short of a distance. I am sure any big power 399 Skater would surpass the 130 plus numbers.... If somebody would ride it out and hang on. The feedback I have heard it is so efficient....at those speeds, it turns into a white knuckle ride. I am not sure if anybody has stretched one out mph wise. That is when I started thinking to myself why not a single engine. Just because it has not been done....Does not mean it can't be done.

It's an interesting idea, except the docking/manuvering issues. If the hull is that efficient, it seems like a perfect candidate for Illmors, doesn't require the torque a big heavy hull does, and can take advantage of the extra rpm's.
In reply to above, not saying 130's in a vee hull isn't very impressive, just looking at the power to power speeds.

Landis.......... Hell of an idea with a singe ilmor package........
Your thoughts please ?

Hotjava66........ I learned to fly a float plane years ago and we use wind as our friend

Yup. Helps having the weight centered over the floats and not aft c.g. like a boat lol.

................???............... C. G. Has nothing to do with it !

Pivot point in boat is in the rear where the weight is, Wind pushes the bow. Plane is better balanced weight wise, Over the floats. Been in both so I do understand using wind as a tool. ;)

What ever you say POWER ......
HOWERVER, IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU MIGHT BE I N.
IT IS ABOUT SELF TRAING AND HOW TO USE THE WIND....... Thx

Glad I could help. :)

Relax dude. For the record I agree with you. Just pointing out they are 2 different animals. Geez...

Indeed...... Thank you.........

I thought it was a interesting idea, it seems to be a few concerns on the docking....Somebody would have to explain to me, why a bow thruster would not work. I think it would be a simple solution. I would be more concerned about getting her on plane and if it had issues, I would try a aerator. I believe once the boat was up and running the performance would be quite impressive. I watched the Spiderman vee do countless laps and I saw how clean that bottom ran. I also believe the steps in the bottom do more then aerate the bottom, I am sure the angle of attack on the steps create lift from the water, which would make sense to me, because the water is 800 times denser then air, why would'nt you work with the water...then against it. Since I am not a vee bottom guy and I like what I call training wheels (cat) , My other concern would be the torque of the prop and countering it. I also think that it would be a neat project boat for illmor. They might not think so.

I was thinking Illmors as in two, don't know if one would get a forty footer on plane. 1350/#8 would probably do the job better. Good luck, sounds like an interesting venture.