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Very nice, Boat came out awesome. Hope you have many hours of safe and trouble free boating.
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Originally Posted by ktron
(Post 4632892)
Almost done.
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Originally Posted by Zero Patience
(Post 4633502)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...c06e8fbaa.jpeg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...1280af62d.jpeg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...914d6abb9.jpeg The boat is complete now. It is still being tweaked with engine height, and water dam length. Love it, big boat compared to the 28 I loved. The 400R is cool, power is strong 5000-7000. Now to play. |
The merc cleavers are not as fast as the dewalds... yet???, 32 pitch 114 mph, 23.5 psi water pressure, 6950 rpm. They plane much much easier, and accellerate better. Need to go up higher, and try some 33.5 and 34s. Also will trim /cut the water dams to the shape DW has on thier 32 race boats. Its 94 degrees, 95% humidity, and water temps of 91 degrees in the gulf now. Hard for the 400s to make power, compared to cooler climates. The cnc mercs are larger diameter, water pressure with the dewalds was 13-14psi at the same height as the mercs with 23 psi. There is a lot of variables in the setup of these. I appreciate the wealth of knowledge i tap into with the Skater Brothers. I like the 32cnc best so far, i like the accelleration better than waiting 2-3 miles for the boat to top out at a speed we will seldom run. Its a fun boat. |
Can someone please explain how the water pressure can be affected and vary from different props when the water intake is in front of the prop??
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Stern lift?
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Good answer! That seems like a lot of lift, though?? Come to think, I experienced a similar thing when switching from Mercury 3 blade cleavers to Dewald 4 blade.
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Originally Posted by Taboma
(Post 4633900)
Good answer! That seems like a lot of lift, though?? Come to think, I experienced a similar thing when switching from Mercury 3 blade cleavers to Dewald 4 blade.
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Originally Posted by Taboma
(Post 4633882)
Can someone please explain how the water pressure can be affected and vary from different props when the water intake is in front of the prop??
The Dewald’s with a hub are an extension of the gear case creating lift in the transom. Thus in theory making the motors higher. This will also have more of an effect on keeping the bow down also. |
Nice looking props Jim |
Originally Posted by Double Rigged
(Post 4633904)
The reason for the stern lift is from the thru-hub Dewald’s versus the over the hub cleavers from Mercury. The Dewald’s with a hub are an extension of the gear case creating lift in the transom. Thus in theory making the motors higher. This will also have more of an effect on keeping the bow down also. |
I think the number of blades make a difference for sure but regarding the transom lift IMO I think it depends on the rotation and extension of the gear case with the thru-hubs.
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Jim, with you having the ballast tank there's a lot more room to tweak I'm sure... the Mercs may very well be the best all around prop for you. I can only add bow weight the old fashion way:grinser010:
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Originally Posted by LAriverratt
(Post 4634141)
Jim, with you having the ballast tank there's a lot more room to tweak I'm sure... the Mercs may very well be the best all around prop for you. I can only add bow weight the old fashion way:grinser010:
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So Jim, We actually met at the boat races when you and a friend of yours were at Sams watching the races this past season. Wasn't sure if you remember that. So I was wondering the Dewalds and the Merc cleavers you have used what the depths are that you have run each of them. I don't remember seeing that anywhere. Im currently running the 33 x 15 Mercury 5 blade cleavers. I also ran a set of Daves props with the bravo style hub. I ran 33 x15 but I don't think I ran them deep enough I kept the same heights as the Mercs. As they didn't run well on my rig. They were on the limiters at around 110mph. As I said I think Deeper would have worked better for that set. I wanted to try more pitch anyway so I traded them to some one in Long Island. His rig ran 116mph. A classic style 308. I ended up ordering and running Dewalds 34 x15.25 which we tuned a bit. They ran well but we never really finished their tuning as winter came and in Jersey Im done. We got them to within a couple mph of the Merc Cleavers. They ran smoother and the mid range was better but as you said the acceleration was better with the Mercs as I imagine they are over the blade exhaust and the props spin up faster. Anyway again I was wondering about the Depths you ran each set at. My rig has no notch in the lower transom and I have only 3 inch setback from my jack plates. My propshafts are at 2 inches above the bottom and could go a bit higher but I would need water pick ups like Ron did on his 308. A magnificent job he did I might add. I start losing pressure about there. Oh at optimal conditions Im currently running 116mph at around 7034rpm. I hope to improve that as I recently got a new powerhead and have been losing at least 35 to 50 horses on my starboard side since day 1 I had the boat. Maybe some of this above info can fill some gaps. Ron pretty much knows everything about my boat and is a tremendous asset here to us all. He could answer some things about similarities our rigs have. Mine is a 318 with 400Rs. I love it. Very close to yours but just different enough to possibly function/perform differently. Good luck with all of this.
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Maybe this is a good place to continue the prop discussion. My questions are:
1. 3l Sportmasters torpedos are 4.88" dia., 400R's are 5.44" dia. Are the new Mercury CNC Thru hub props 5.44" dia. or the standard 4.75" dia? 2. What are the dia. of the thru hub Dewalds for the 400R application? 3. If the dia's. above are the std. 4.75", are the thru hub props effectively a combination of over hub and thru hub due to the "gap"? |
David not sure I understand the post regarding the prop sizes. Over the hubs are much smaller the dimensions of the gearcase hence why the are over the hub. In your post are you talking about thru-hubs? |
He was wondering if the thru-hub props were made to fit the larger 400R cases. Pretty sure they are motor specific Taboma.
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Don’t know if I’m any help here but I sold Ron my 32” thru hud Dewald’s. They are the 5.44 diameter as I remember. My performance was always less with them. Long hole shot poor midrange and 2-3 MPH slower than the Merc over the Hub. I got some 15.25 32” 15 degree from Merc at LOTO last September and could not run them in smooth water as too much stern lift. Great in rough water and I was 112 at Tickfaw this spring with fuel and poker run load. Those I sold to Jim and now have a set of 15.25 32” 18 degree being built. For note I bought a set of Merc Max 5 which are thru hub 5.44 hub diameter. Good bow lift and great overall performance but 3-4 mph slower top end. I use them for my beater props during spring and unfamiliar waters. As rigged my boat really likes them. |
Originally Posted by Double Rigged
(Post 4634451)
David not sure I understand the post regarding the prop sizes. Over the hubs are much smaller the dimensions of the gearcase hence why the are over the hub. In your post are you talking about thru-hubs? |
Skate, going from a 15 to 18 rake, what are you expecting to gain?
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Should produce more bow lift with the 18 rake.
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FYI the props are the same for the 300xs/300x and 400r. Shaft size is the same as well as the nuts.
No difference. |
Originally Posted by Double Rigged
(Post 4634605)
FYI the props are the same for the 300xs/300x and 400r. Shaft size is the same as well as the nuts.
No difference. |
Far as I know yes. I have run props that have been on 400r’s from Dewald and as Jim ran a set of my 32’s. The 400r’s have the ring on the back side of the gearcase that sort steps down the diameter and were the exhaust comes out. |
Hey All, Would be great to know what heights Jim is running with each specific prop. The Mercs and Dewalds.
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https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...c0713d51f.jpeg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...e3fe71a41.jpeg I ran Ron’s 32 Dewald’s @2.375” up, 13 psi wp, between rain storms, tropical storm Alberto. Garmin max speed said 118. About 78 degrees, with the wind. I ran Skates 32 x15.25 same height, hot 94 degrees, 3 people, 60 gallons, 23 psi wp, 114 mph. Now I have raised engines to 2.625”, set tow out .125”, trimmed water damns to memic DW. Will run it soon. But it’s hot and humid. |
Hey Jim, Hope you had a great Summer. Just wondering how you ended up. How you did with your quest for speed and where you ended up from an every day use stand point. Top speed is one thing but I opted to back off on my heights a bit for a while as it made the boat much less temperamental from a water pressure temp standpoint. Hope all is well. Maybe see you at the races this fall in Key West.
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