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Xtremeracing 10-29-2010 11:29 PM

The city of KW does.... That why they pay every yr to have SBI back.

waterboy1 10-30-2010 12:16 AM


Originally Posted by Xtremeracing (Post 3242395)
The city of KW does.... That why they pay every yr to have SBI back.

SBI should concentrate on attracting more race boats..after all,they are a race organization.How about improving the RACING.Too many classes...too few boats...too many winners...totally confusing to the fans.Some boats compete in two classes in the same race...what a joke!Everything is always smoke and mirrors.Key West is a great race site..they deserve a better RACE than what they have been getting in recent years.

waterboy1 10-30-2010 12:19 AM


Originally Posted by Driveguy (Post 3242186)
Hey rv 1, I never said and i am very aware that there was never a f2 boat that ran with 525 close to 100 f2 fell apart way before 525 days. I am comparing asingle engine boat that has to work to run 85 verses a twin anything, they should not be classed the same. Im not sure about your perfecting bracket racing but there is a minipulation of excellation and speed. you can gear and prop a boat to excellorate to particular # and you can say all day long that the boat only runs X # for speed. If that Offshore Racing to you I quess the majority of boat racers should change to suit the few that dont want to run a boat to its potential.

Agree with your point of view.

Xtremeracing 10-30-2010 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by waterboy1 (Post 3242415)
SBI should concentrate on attracting more race boats..after all,they are a race organization.How about improving the RACING.Too many classes...too few boats...too many winners...totally confusing to the fans.Some boats compete in two classes in the same race...what a joke!Everything is always smoke and mirrors.Key West is a great race site..they deserve a better RACE than what they have been getting in recent years.

Thanks for your 2 cents we will get working on that first thing.

RandS RACING 10-30-2010 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by Xtremeracing (Post 3242074)
Looks like about 50-55 boats can afford to....

I would like to see that list, I'm sure a lot of other people would too!! Thanks Howard

waterboy1 10-30-2010 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by RandS RACING (Post 3242486)
I would like to see that list, I'm sure a lot of other people would too!! Thanks Howard

I would put my money on the under.

Xtremeracing 10-30-2010 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by waterboy1 (Post 3242497)
I would put my money on the under.

Bring it i'm a gambling man...lol

Xtremeracing 10-30-2010 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by RandS RACING (Post 3242486)
I would like to see that list, I'm sure a lot of other people would too!! Thanks Howard

It will be close to last yr maybe a few more, last yr was 54 so we will have to see. Right now there is 48 pre- registered. There is atleast 4-5 more that i know of that r coming but havent sent the paper work in yet. You usually have 3-4 that show and no one knew they were coming .

Any specail class you were interested in....?

Xtremeracing 10-30-2010 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by waterboy1 (Post 3242497)
I would put my money on the under.

Come on you said you would put ur money down let make it interesting. Lets not get quite now, you seem very negative you should be all over this bet. This way you can push for a sh$tty boat count and u will be a winner....

BRUCE SEROFF 10-30-2010 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by Driveguy (Post 3242186)
Hey rv 1, I never said and i am very aware that there was never a f2 boat that ran with 525 close to 100 f2 fell apart way before 525 days. I am comparing asingle engine boat that has to work to run 85 verses a twin anything, they should not be classed the same. Im not sure about your perfecting bracket racing but there is a minipulation of excellation and speed. you can gear and prop a boat to excellorate to particular # and you can say all day long that the boat only runs X # for speed. If that Offshore Racing to you I quess the majority of boat racers should change to suit the few that dont want to run a boat to its potential.

Just what we needed. another spelling wizard. :bigbird:

Xtremeracing 10-30-2010 12:49 PM

Bruce I heard you r buying the first round is that rumor true.

BRUCE SEROFF 10-30-2010 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by Xtremeracing (Post 3242673)
Bruce I heard you r buying the first round is that rumor true.

I would, but I wont be down this year.

Xtremeracing 10-30-2010 01:31 PM

Oh ok I thought u said you were coming down a few wks ago.

RandS RACING 10-30-2010 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by Xtremeracing (Post 3242514)
It will be close to last yr maybe a few more, last yr was 54 so we will have to see. Right now there is 48 pre- registered. There is atleast 4-5 more that i know of that r coming but havent sent the paper work in yet. You usually have 3-4 that show and no one knew they were coming .

Any specail class you were interested in....?

Yes,all of them if you can. Coming down as a spectator, been going for 10 years whether we were racing or not. Great place to race or to just hang out and watch the racing. I checked my spelling so Bruce won't get mad

BRUCE SEROFF 10-30-2010 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by RandS RACING (Post 3242728)
Yes,all of them if you can. Coming down as a spectator, been going for 10 years whether we were racing or not. Great place to race or to just hang out and watch the racing. I checked my spelling so Bruce won't get mad

atta boy:drink:

cat boat racer 10-30-2010 03:24 PM

What boat are you in Waterboy ? Will you be in Key West ? If not, dont be so negative !!! I'll be in P5-12

waterboy1 10-30-2010 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by ricochet myk (Post 3242755)
What boat are you in Waterboy ? Will you be in Key West ? If not, dont be so negative !!! I'll be in P5-12

Sorry for being negative guys... I have raced in KW before..in 1994,2004 & 2005.I am just disapointed that our sport continues to be fragmented.Too many organizations..too few boats.We all need to work to improve the racing and take it to the next level.I just think our sport has so much potential that is not being realized with the way things are.The destructive cycle of offshore powerboat racing continues to repeat itself.

By the way,ricochet myk..I own a 24ft Pantera too...so I will be pulling for you.Have fun and be safe.

Xtremeracing 10-30-2010 09:34 PM

We all agree, but slaming any org. doesnt help. No one is blind to what you see, but it is the racers not the org's. If and when we decide to make it work we will. When Mike A had LLC going with almost 100 boats it was the racers that took him down not LLC. It looks like history is going to try and repeat itself again. If we allow it to happen again who do we have to blame.

You say there is not a big boat count in each class again whos fault is that everyone knows where the race is.... When they decide to come out and race we will have the boat count. The org. cant go and drag racers out from behind thier key boards.

Smitty tried very hard to get a boat count for OB he even offered to paid boat to show plus a good purse and he still couldnt draw boats... Is that his fault????

DareDevil 10-30-2010 10:45 PM


Originally Posted by ricochet myk (Post 3242755)
What boat are you in Waterboy ? Will you be in Key West ? If not, dont be so negative !!! I'll be in P5-12

GOOD LUCK !!!!!!:evilb:

cat boat racer 10-31-2010 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by waterboy1 (Post 3242834)
Sorry for being negative guys... I have raced in KW before..in 1994,2004 & 2005.I am just disapointed that our sport continues to be fragmented.Too many organizations..too few boats.We all need to work to improve the racing and take it to the next level.I just think our sport has so much potential that is not being realized with the way things are.The destructive cycle of offshore powerboat racing continues to repeat itself.

By the way,ricochet myk..I own a 24ft Pantera too...so I will be pulling for you.Have fun and be safe.

Thanks, Mike

SCRAPMAN1 11-01-2010 07:08 PM

gentlemen- i think some of the problem can be traced right up the ladder to p-2. i think the 35 fountain wouldnt be trying to run p-4 if he thought he had a shot at winning against a super vee unlimited that was allowed to register p-2 in sarasota. im sure they just figure that since this boat was allowed to move down to a class they could easily win why couldnt they do it? there is no easy solution and i have faith that richie and john will do the right thing whether its re-open p-3 or not let boats drop down in class unless their class disappears. when we dropped down in class we did it because super vee with sealed 525s basically disappeared so we went to the class that we fit best into which was p-2 where we had some of the best racing i have ever seen. i hope this problem is worked out because im afraid its going to hurt our sport further at a time when we can least afford it.

cat boat racer 11-01-2010 07:29 PM

Billy, You ready for Key West ? Mike

Xtremeracing 11-01-2010 08:16 PM

Billy is always ready and always bring his "A" game....

Earthwerks 11-01-2010 08:17 PM

The Pump IT boat should stay in p2 that's the right class for that boat, it's a 35 fountain bravo drive 525 or 500efi. Rock Star should run p1, where they were all last year . MAKE YOUR BOAT FIT THE CLASS OR DON'T RACE!!!!!!!!!

2FastWarlock 11-01-2010 09:05 PM

Just to clear things up were not the 35 Fountain that is being talked about being in P4, were either running P2 or P3. If no boats show up for P2 and there are some in P3, we'll run there and vice versa. We want to race not just go run around a course with no one else in the class

Driveguy 11-01-2010 09:31 PM

THANK YOU, A couple of RACERS

Earthwerks 11-01-2010 10:51 PM

I never questioned the fact that you guys are true racers. Looking foreword to seeing you in KW.

2FastWarlock 11-02-2010 03:01 PM

Looking forward to seeing yall in key west as well, should be an awesome week!

SCRAPMAN1 11-02-2010 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by ricochet myk (Post 3243952)
Billy, You ready for Key West ? Mike

four rolls of duct tape and some jb weld got her ready to go....lol we appreciate the confidence Frank and i think shes ready to go and give some good competion this year.

Wazzup Racing 11-06-2010 09:36 AM

I'll be down just hangin. Anyone needs any help between the races putting stuff back together let me know. Got nothin to do. Smitty

Lucididee 11-06-2010 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by Wazzup Racing (Post 3247664)
I'll be down just hangin. Anyone needs any help between the races putting stuff back together let me know. Got nothin to do. Smitty

More time for the Tree Bar :coolcowboy:

Xtremeracing 11-07-2010 07:52 AM

Smitty you buying the first round ...lol

Wazzup Racing 11-07-2010 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by Xtremeracing (Post 3248126)
Smitty you buying the first round ...lol

First middle and last. First race all year I get to sit back and enjoy.

DriverofDonzi 11-07-2010 12:04 PM

Smitty,

Enjoy your time at Key West! :) :)

Chris

FunHome 11-07-2010 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by 2FastWarlock (Post 3244052)
Just to clear things up were not the 35 Fountain that is being talked about being in P4, were either running P2 or P3. If no boats show up for P2 and there are some in P3, we'll run there and vice versa. We want to race not just go run around a course with no one else in the class

So then what 35 are they talking about?

2FastWarlock 11-07-2010 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by FunHome (Post 3248510)
So then what 35 are they talking about?

The old Double Trouble boat that ran last year

FunHome 11-07-2010 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by 2FastWarlock (Post 3248540)
The old Double Trouble boat that ran last year


Is it running KW this year?? did somebody buy it?

2FastWarlock 11-07-2010 08:47 PM

Yea someone bought it and from my understanding put 500's in it and is running P4, i think jeff has a picture of it on his website from the parade in Key West. I believe its red and green now

BRUCE SEROFF 11-08-2010 11:24 AM

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boat ran 112 MPH with 509cu all day.

With 500s, its 100mph all day long. How the hell is that boat allowed to run in P4? I would certainly be pissed, if I had to run against that. with a single 30.

Wahoo ATV 11-08-2010 12:31 PM

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I have a great P4 boat for sale. Can be delivered to KW!

http://www.offshoreonly.com/classifi...o35397-en.html


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