P4 in Key west
 

Can anyone explain how you can put ia single 525 boat and a twin 500hp or twin 525 boat in the same class the twin boats when they raced F1 could run close to 100 why should they race in an 85 mph class against single engine boats instead of P3 class to be fair to all Competitors and a better show?? Again can anyone explain?

Things that make you go hmmmm.

Something has 2 done:bsflag::bsflag:, if not HOW can a single 525 boat compete against these guys? If john wants a boat count he has 2 be fair to everyone! myself being on a race team spending thousands of $ to run the the boat, fly my family down and support SBI, i might as well leave my boat at home because it will be a LOSE,LOSE situation for my team and SBI, i should have stayed racing with SMITTY!!!!

John is aware of the problem and plans to adress it in KW with the P Class racers. Nothing will be done this yr but looks like changes are going to be made. If anyone want to get a jump on it you might want to write down your suggestions for the class u r registered in. John will be asking for that in the drivers meeting and would like to get all the input he can before we leave. Richie D is working on an outline now and will get everyones comment before SBI make any rule changes.

I personal would like to see all the single engines running together,move the P5 guys up a few MPH and move the P4 down a few and meeting in the middle 80 MPH class single engine only. With that said i think you could posible have 6-8 boats running that class. Just my 2 cents....

Frank i appreciate ur 2 cents but john addressing this in Key West is to late and a dollar short. you have been racing a long time and u know what it takes 2 run in key west$$$$$, you know what ur boat runs, would u bring ur boat there if u knew u were not even close to being the lead dog? my team and other teams might just be spectators! sorry john, but a boat count vs a race, u might lose on both ends! !!!!!
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Whos SMITTY ? isnt he a cartoon character. Calm down OPAers Im just kidding. Hes got a good thing going, but the question is single engine guys that work hard in the boat to run 85 and twin guys that should be in P3 with there boats that can run close to a buck or better. Any twin that can justify? I think all the single (engine) guys stand together on this. Its an 85 mph class and its racing....... race where you are capable of running and give all of us a good show.

Run P5 if you dont think you have a chance in P4 , there will be some good racing.If not you r are right if u dont think u have a chance see what shakes out for next yr.

Easy guys remember this is the beginnig of a new season for all of us. So why not talk it out in the drivers meeting for someone to make a call and if your boat runs 100 you race here if your boat runs 85 you race here. Remember this is the beginning of the new season.

Come on frank P5 if you have a boat that runs 83 and work at it 85 ,86 why RACE at 75. you and i agree on a lot this may be where we differ its racing why slow a team down to P5 and not push teams to run at potential. Rick Hendrick probably called Jimmy this morning and said you know what lets not run hard this week because we out power everyone and I just dont think we should have to work that hard to win, so lets race saturday instead.

We have the racers to blame they all want to run where they think it is easy pickings. You and I have talked about that numerous times. No one wants to race to win....They all say they want boats in there class and run where there either is no boats or a class they shouldnt be in.

Suprised to hear u say u should of stayed racing with Smitty dont some of the same boats from SBI race P4 in OPA. Dont they have a 41 Apahche with blowers running P4 ??? That isnt a slam against OPA just wasnt getting your point, again its not the Org. its the racers if they dont get what they want they take their shi$ and go home. Right now u r un happy , but if John or any other Org. agreed with you and did what was right the other 3 boat would be just as pissed and be saying the same thing.

I dont know the anwser but that what would happen.I dont think u can ever make everyone happy. If everyone entred their boat in the class it really should be in problem solved.

Lets turn the gps back on the original post was single 83 or4 mph boat verses twins that we all know can run close to or more than 100 remember the F1 F2 days and the speeds they ran its the same boats with better stuff and rumor is some super vees that can run 110 all day want to play in kw in p4. Come on its racing not winning.

If you feel that strongly about it why wait for KW call them out here and now, call the boats out by name . See if they man up and run where they should .

Jerry racing might take some skill.

Might? skill? you lost me? Im talking twin, single 85mph class and can one of the twin guys justify an 85 mph class? Im quessing not.

Frank I want to race my boat on the edge against others on the edge. My boat is a 85 MPH boat it not a 100 MPH boat that I am afraid to run at that speed and threaten not to race if moved up. I am not on of those racers who are looking for easy pickings I am looking for a RACE. I support SBI because of their integrity toward racing. When I first purchased the boat I was told I COULD NOT run P-5 because it is not a P-5 boat and I agree. It would not be fair to the guys in P-5 to have this boat in the class just as it is having P-3 boats in P-4. I understand that there wasn't enough P-3 boats to have a class but there are enough now. I hear conflicting stories about the opening of P-3 is it open or not? It does not take an act of congress to open class P-3 just John. We all have to pay 2011 equipment fees then why do we have to wait for rule changes. I was always told that the worlds was the start of the new year. Don't tell me that they don't make rule changes at this time of year. The creation of the Super V Extreme class came right before the worlds a couple of years ago in order to preserve the integrity of racing. Something has to be done before the worlds it is the only fair thing. Can anybody tell me why these 100 MPH boats are in P-4. Are they to scared to run their boats at the speeds they were DESIGNED to run at or are they looking for "easy pickings"? With all the other disagrements going on in the world of offshore racing this one seems to be the simplest to fix but it is still broken.

I was warned this was coming:evilb: All I care about is like boats race each other old F-2 against old F-2 etc. I know where your at though, we raced an old F-1 boat against an old F-2, and lost every time(I think, been a couple years and a lot of beers:drink:), I may be wrong, but I do not think that the old F-2's are quite 100MPH boats in their current condition, as far as the canopied boats, maybe:drink:.

Ya Rick I think he is talking about the 35 Fountains....They were actually SV's in the day.

So P4 is gonna be a

29 Extreme, F1 (open cockpit)
35 Fountain, SV (Canopy)
34 Phantom, F2 (open cockpit)
27 Activator, SVL (Canopy)

who else?

National Guard

That is what I thought, but as you know, I am not an offshore history buff, just there for the racing, and a few(too many) beers:drink:

Dont you hate when a race gets in the way of a good party....

P4
 

DriveGuy! What have you been smoking! There was never an F2 boat with 525's that ran 100. I was in Formula's, Donzi's that at best, could do 91-93 in race trim. How can I take a boat, twin 500's that might do 88, and compete in P3! When I can not get to 95!!

Better yet, give me a similar F1 (SVL) with a 525, and I will compete happily agaisnt twins in the right conditions, big water, (can't do it). And I will earn my victories! You you to understand bracket racing, better yet, perfect it, as we have!!!

no wonder smitty and the opa have a drame free race series. who can afford to race kw?

Looks like about 50-55 boats can afford to....

Oh and did I forget almost 120 poker run boats, and thousands of fan hmmmmm.

Maybe the question should be who cant afford KW....

You know I dont let that little race thing stop me, heck the race is only one of the 24 hours in a day(hence the reason I normally dont get in the boat):drink:

what happened with the SVL teams in orange beach? drama free?????:bong:

Zipper he doesnt have a clue , hes just pissed because he cant afford to be at the Big Show in KW....So if he cant afford it i guess it has to be to expensive lol....

Oh and lets not forget a few months back when someone was throwing things on stage at the awards at a fello racers, your right that might not be drama its history first time ever in Offshore racing... Be proud my friend....lol

Hey rv 1, I never said and i am very aware that there was never a f2 boat that ran with 525 close to 100 f2 fell apart way before 525 days. I am comparing asingle engine boat that has to work to run 85 verses a twin anything, they should not be classed the same. Im not sure about your perfecting bracket racing but there is a minipulation of excellation and speed. you can gear and prop a boat to excellorate to particular # and you can say all day long that the boat only runs X # for speed. If that Offshore Racing to you I quess the majority of boat racers should change to suit the few that dont want to run a boat to its potential.

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I just smoked a 20 rock and I think I understand P4 twin verses single.

You are killing me :readinghelp:

Frank what class are you racing P-4 or P-EASY pickings

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That is up to Dee if all the boats are in the classes they should be in we will run the class we should be in.

didnt we talk about this before! chickens is a p-4 boat. does dee want to race in p-4 or maybe,like u said frank, run in p-5? its a p-4 boat,but the way things r going u guys might want to in p-5. lets run the boats in the classes they belong in. but the powers 2 b will let us know:bsflag:

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I agree I guess we will see who really shows and where Richie puts them.

Who cares about the poker run boats?