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Looks like a good class this year. If Sun Print shows I will go with them. For now Im going with Boat Floater (Kildals
family). They ran great at the OPA worlds. Good luck to all the teams. You have to finish all 3 races to have a shot at the title. Heck we won one year and never came in first in any of the heats. Run hard but be smart if thats possable. LOL
MD

why are you not going?

Maybe he is waiting for the end of today,,, and see if he can get Pres Obama to pay for his expenses.

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Im going to take the high road on this one.

Jeff wish I could have made it. If you are not aware there are 2 differant motor packages for the SVL class and depending on which org you run with. OPA/OSS has a stock Merc. unmodified 525/Vortec and SBI has a modified Merc. 525/Vortec. There is a solid 100 more HP differance when built to the max. Looks like a good group of boats racing this week.
MD

good play, MD.

Outerlimits Snowy Mountain Brewery takes the first race!!!!

Gee who would have figgered:lolhit:

Boatfloater was doing good for a while but lossing ground. Then they must have had an issue and fell way back. Gibons got in front of them at the finish.
Im thinking the water was big on the outside with the wind I was watching on the live stream. Looks like some teams are going to need more power to punch threw and keep speed.
I will wait to congradulate anyone till after a solid motor inspection is done. :poopoo:
One down and 2 to go.

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Maybe the boat has something to do with it!!

Im sure its a great boat. I hope the next couple of SVL owners that buy one have the same results. Who was in the boat?

Gun to a knife fight:evilb:

Boat's still here. Someone can bring 'seal team six' to the fight.

The boat and Brian Forehand will be very hard to beat.

Steve lost a fuel pump at the very end.

Im sure the boat is great, but the bottomline is that right wrong or indifferent, there is a black cloud over it. Whether the team has or has not done everything they have been publicly accused of in the past, perception wise, there is still a black cloud of suspicion, accusation and fact surrounding it. Do I have all the facts?? No, noone probably does. All I know is what I have read on the boards, what I have heard in the pits and what i have been told by some of the parties involved. Im sure the ol is a great boat, Ijust think OL could have chosen a team with a less tarnished reputation to represent it.

There, i said it in black and white. Drag me over the coals, whatever, I merely stated what most are thinking but dont want to outright say.

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Do they weigh the boats now? What is min weight?

Nice run By the OL team. Boat looked great. Brian and Doc's daughter did a great job. Steve K you guy's ran your butts off. Phantom glad to see you in the mix. Watch Your Back I like the new stickers. Gibons you guys dont leave anything on the tabel and Cool Hand you are going to need a little shock theropy. I know that boat has more than that. I really enjoyed watching you all live stream today. You all made my day.
MD

What the?

I sure he was plenty busy with the aftermath of S.S. SANDY in NJ ....

I'm not sure of the national coverage this storm got other than when the POTUS made a pit stop during his election campaigning .

This image is just on the other side of the river of where Randy is from .... :(

Thanks goes go out to all of the out of state utility companies and State Police that have come here to help.

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Boats r all running great and having a blast. Randy I will work on the for you lol.We team and Rookie driver but so far he's doing great. It will take a little time to get dialed in but won't be long. We just got the boat back last wed and the first time we tested was Tuesday in kw. Ran much better Fri so we'll see how Sunday goes. But shock therapy is sounding good right about now. You should be here give me a few pointers....

Hammer down and dont lift. LOL

I want a ride in that foolish thing sometime :party-smiley-004:

WOW !!!!! OL has dusted the SVL field. No one was even close in the race with them. Brian and Madison you did an outstanding job. The Kildal boys were pushing it to the max of what there boat would give them. Looked like they took flight on the back strech and tripped followed by the stuff. Glad to see you both were ok coming in. Ill bet you were glad you were under a lid now. I aplaud all the SVL teams for there hard run in what looked like some big water. Now go build more power to close the gap. The race now is who will have the best engine builder that can make the most HP and lets not forget stronger drives. Its going to be a long winter. LOL
MD

Randy

What are the weights? Do they weigh at end of race? Also what are the new rules for next year?

Weight is the same 4750...
No rule changes for next yr, the only thing that was talk about was building a new motor package similar to the Supetboat Class carb 510 blocks easy simple and reliable and easy to tech. Don't think it will happen for next yr but with the 525 going away soon we are looking toward the further.

Warlock, SBI weight is #4750 at the end of the race. You have to weigh in and out. The weight of 1 gallon of gas is the same within .10 depending on where you buy it. With that being said the MPG is almost identical on our boats. Some spin higher RPM and some have more eff hulls. In the end we are all some where around 1.7 - 2 MPG depending on water conditions. The math is fairly simple so if you know what each boat weight is going in you can predict there burn rate vs what there coming out weight is. EVERY boat should be with in 20-40 lbs of the differance.
Last I heard from Merc. was that although they have developed a new 525 base version with modifications is that the exisisting 525 package is one of there best and most reliable motor's they have ever built. They have no plans on discontinuing that package.
Being that your question was asked of me I can tell you that I have no plans of ever racing anything other than a stock sealed Merc. 525 and the last time I asked the other OPA/OSS guy's they feel the same way. Sooooooo in the off season any new teams can decide if they want the HP wars or the spec. racing. How much money do you have?????? :poopoo: ok shoot me !!!!

Randy

We raced together in F1. If I wanted to buy a boat or build a boat, What are my options? It looks as though everyone is going to be fighting for second place. If everyone has the same weight and same HP then all those single step boats are in trouble. I think the Fountain might be as fast as the OL but I am not sure being the boat was never legal. It was the boat last year and next year there will be several OL. Why waste the money to run a single step boat? Warlock has a new 3 step bottom and the 2 step bottom from the 32 that I could cut down. It is crazy efficient. I guess someone could buy the fountain and giver it a shot. Tell me what direction is the class heading in with trying to keep parity. You really cant knock OL for designing the new bottom. However most of us dont have the coin to buy a carbon fiber 250k boat. So how do you keep people racing? Andy

building a svl
call tony pacheco and get him out of retirement...or the clouds...I bet he would build a fast boat if he got the right rigging and people... a SVL 32 rigged by pompi or stotler...that becomes a game changer.

Andy

I agree we will see a lot of new hulls shortly, word is that Skater has one on the drawing board , and Chris in Miami has one built already. There is no magic boat just some teams r btter then other, good example is the Fountain had a team change in KW and was beat. The sport needs to move forward and that is going to happen one way or another. Look at the great job Steve K has done with one of the oldest boats in the fleet , he is right on the tail of the OuttterLimits and will work harder and get closer believe me.
Randy you talk about spending more money all the time, but you have teams giving Mers $10,000 - $12,000 to get their motors sealed. Teams dont spend that all yr to run, and the cost of a rebuild is much cheaper because the motor doesnt have to go back to merc we just get teched. You talk about this new bigger and better 525 hope you are read to write the check for a new bigger and better 525. The boats in SBI have ran all yr and no failures that was a big issue with some team about the motors lasting so we provrd that wasnt an issue. Really they arent running crazt RPMs the boxes are set up to 6,000 but the motors make thier HP power at 5,600-5,700 rpm. How do you run sealed motors with NO teching ??? We all tried that 10 yrs ago and it didnt work time to move foward and get Merc out of our pockets they do nothing for us.

Look at the sport and the changes that r being made and where its going. The new SuperBoatt class guys ran awesome and every boat finished 3 days of hard racing when was the last time u saw that in KW ???? Great job guys and awesome motor package, oh did i forget to mention 4 different motor builders are back in the game and 1 of the 4 wasnt Merc.

Andy, First you have to decide where you want to race. SBI or OPA/OSS. They have 2 totaly differant motor package rules. The guys in either group are great to race with. If you remember back in the F1 days we all had the same motor's,drives,Xdem and weight based on length and if you had a notched transome. The racing was off the charts good with big fleets of boats as you know. SVL is trying to keep that same style of racing. The big elephant in the room is the motor. What your budget is has a lot to do with it as well. A stock Merc. 525 package will last longer than a modified 525 with unlimmitted RPM. Then add in your drive life with the extra RPM and HP. Just my opinions for what its worth. Call me for more details 908-754-4448 work and then call Frank from SBI. Listen to both pro's and con's and decide whats best for your team. You are no rookie at this so no one is going to BS you.

No motor issues?????? :poopoo: Steve will never catch the new OL unless he builds more HP. He put his life on the line trying to run him down and if im a betting guy he was over trimmed because he knew it was his only option to try and hang with the OL. Maybe you didnt see the TV show of the attitudes of the other boats compared to the OL. The OL was bow down and punching threw with tabs down. That my friend takes HP. Nothing wrong with it and my hats off to the team for haveing the best and most expensive boat out there. Who else has those kinds of resourses in our class? This has turned into the Berni Little of the Hydro planes where if you have the most money you win. Not what most of us sighned up for when we bought our boats. Its out of controll IMO. Is there going to be Parity put on these new boats????? If I spent that kind of money and was legal and you put parity on me for having a better boat I would be pissed. So now what?

PS the merc rebuild is closer to $10K and your motor last 3-4 years with no maint. other than possably a set of valve springs. And with that 10K you get all your parts back including your complete set of heads worth ???? When they rebuild you get a new complete set of heads included and a dyno pull. As far as I know no one has ever had a 525 sealed motor blow in SVL. EVER !!!!!!

So, a "stock" or sealed 525 is no longer required?
I know I've been away from racing for a while, but I didn't realize that anyone could "build" a higher horsepower legal 525

The plain truth is there are two different classes in SVL.

The merc rebuilds are worth every penny. My engine has 94 hours on it and I promise anybody that it has run very hard. It has been in the boat since 04. When you turn any engine up it becomes less reliable stating anything else is pure BS.

I do agree that the talent of the individual teams play a big part in any racing.
Why some teams finish 4 minutes behind.

Wil

I would like some clarification on this legal "turned up" 525 also. I thought that was cheating. What about weight?

You need to go to SBI tec. rules for details. In a nut shell in SBI you can take your stock merc 525 and in the spirit of a rebuild you can punch it out to a 510 cubic inch, increase the compression to 9:1 and do what ever you want with the computor including unlimited RPM. The rest of the internals are to remain stock.
OPA/APBA kept the stock sealed merc. 525 package with absoluty no modifications of any kind. The same as it has been since the beginning of Factory spec style racing (1999 ?).
So first you have to relize there is 2 differant organization both with differant rules.
weight is 4750 lbs in both org's. In an attempt to see if the SBI style boats with the bigger motors could race with the OPA/APBA style boats they were invited to race with an additional 250 lbs and rev limiters at 5600 RPM. with Vortec motors.
Does that help???

Please if anyone is interested in details on the SVL class please call both OPA and SBI teams. My number is 908-966-3173
Randy

Please feel free to call anytime if u have any questions.
Frank 321 693-0023