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Anyone have any info on this boat? Past or present? Looks clean. Any feedback on the SB 24s. have been on pantera 24s. Any comments between the two, or are they pretty similar? Thanks.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/esvon/page-11279.html

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That's sean dutra's old boat.
I ran with him 2yrs ago.
it probably ran 68-70.

Pantera's are heavier for sure.
As far as quality, fit and finish... that cabin hatch says alot. just my 0.02.

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Ya I love sbs as much as the next guy but storms right.

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Can you please elaborate on your comparisons between the 2 boats ??????

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I always thought the 24 sb was a light pantera with a step.

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Let stormrider ELABORATE.

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I trust storms opinion.

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superbabi, please dont take any offense... as i said its only my 2cents.
I've gone on about this before in this forum, but its just that how can a factory let a hatch like that go out the door. And from what I understand, and have been told here on this site, that JC still makes that cabin hatch the same way. If you don't see what I mean, that hatch does not sit flush on the doors... its warped or something.
I have not been in a 30y2k, but have only talked to one owner, and he had stringer separation probs at the transom. This was before fx10 was there, so things could have changed. Back in the early 90s my best friend had 1983 24sb w/ single ob. I liked the way it ran, but was kinda light. Now i know an ob is no comparison to an ib boat, but we all know the 24 is lighter. Lighter means faster, but there is sacrifice w/ light weight... that being able stay settled in rough waters, and so called wave crush.

There is no better bang for the buck than the 30y2k if you don't load it up too much. Its much less expensive than activator and progression and speeds are pretty damn close.
But if you look at the fit and finish of the new 28 panteras coming out of jo's shop, i see a big difference from what is coming out of Lindenhurst.
And like i said this is just my opinion.

And I'd like to restate that I don't own my pantera anymore, and my not own one again. May own a y2k, or may not. And I'd be happy to own either, escpecially being boatless.

And if any of you sb boys want to prove me wrong, show me how good your boats ride for a day. I'll bring the beers. :drink:

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Stormrider, no offense taken, however it is never a good idea to go to the HOST SITE (superboat ) and say something thats not very positive about the boat/company. I in fact this weekend was on and driving a 28' twin MAJOR BRAND name boat that was a horrible ride in all aspects. I would never go to that site on this board and say a word, sometime certain things are best when left UNSAID. Thanks :D

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Gary we still got to meet up at the races. :cool:

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Well Guys,

I have owned both a 1989 24' Pantera and now a 1997 24' Superboat.
Yes, the Pantera is maybe 200lbs heavier and a little slower. Is a little stronger? maybe, but I broke them both.
As far as the finish of the two, my 24' Super has features that are nicer then my Pantera was so I do not agree with Storm, and we've had the discussion before...
I did not like the bolt on helm in my Pantera, Superboat molds the dash into the deck. The seats in my Pantera did not allow for you to drive standing or sitting like my Super, I had to stand all ways in the Pantera.
My Pantera was a little rough in some areas, one example is that you could see the fiber glass through the gel-coat in the sides of the hull. This I have seen in other Pantera as well.
And we won't even get into Pantera's business practices.
I do have to say that T-Mone's 24' Pantera is a beautiful boat and does not have the flaws mine had...

Now for Sean's old boat:
I ran with him a couple of years back and the boat was perfectly maintained and a vary nice package. I have not seen the boat recently though and it probably has a lot of hours on that original 454Mag Bravo package.
A 24' Super with a 454Mag will run about 73mph with 2 people and 1/2 tank.

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superbabi, courthoul ask for opinions. One sided opinions won't really help make a decision.
Didn't think i was bashing. Just pointing out a little quality control.
I didn't say sb was a pc of sht or a waste of money. Like others on this site will say about other makes/models.

And I think my elaboration should have clarified what I had said.

As far as this particular boat goes... would you spend 30 on this boat? or would you rather finance a y2k that is 50?

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I need to agree with Storm. I have an 05, 24 and the cabin doors and hatch just do not do justice to the boat. I replaced mine last winter with a custom wood set I made. I have been told they really improved the appearance of the boat.

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I have to agree about the cabin doors. They are pretty cheesey. I never rode in or inspected a 24 Pantera up close so I can't comment. The Super seems to have more cockpit room and a better (step down) cabin. From the pics 've seen, the Pantera doesn't have any rear seat leg room.

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Thanks for the feedback. Storm, thanks for the info. The cabin doors are an issue, and I had mentioned something about it to him. Basic feedback was the same here. They come out like that b/c of the material. he was going to replace them as well, but did not get to it. Storm, wish your boat was still avail. That was one of my favorite Pantera 24s.

T-Island, any feedback regarding the SB 24?

THe guy said it runs 78 on GPS. He has SS exhaust on the 454. How is the handling with the step on a 24? Basically looking at the SB, Panteras, Sunsations and pythons. All the 24s and 25s (sunsation). Just trying to get the best bang for the buck. Also dependent on what is on the market. Trying to stay around $30,000.00.

Thanks Guys.

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The Cabin doors and Hatch are a little suspect from the Factory and I've spoke to Mr. Coen about them. JC told me that they did do wood or plexi years back. He told me the wood became too expensive and plexi breaks. I changed the cabin hatch to 3/4" starboard last year and it made a big improvement.
As far as the cabin goes the Super does has have a much more functional cabin and cockpit. I did see Storm's 24' SE Pantera up close and personal.
The 78GPS is total BS! Sean told me the best he ever saw was 74+ even with the CMI headers. I have a modified 502MPI making in the neiborhood of 450HP and the best I've seen is 77+ running on fumes and alone...
I have been in both the 24' Step and I own a 1997 pre step Super; IMO there is little if any difference.
For 30K you should be able to get one hell of a 24' Pantera or Superboat. I know nothing of Sunsations but I would stay away from a Pythons...

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Pantera... I was able to sit and drive, but not in anything but the calmest of waters since my thieghs were 1/4" from the wheel, and i'm a pretty slim guy... so the boat is really a stand up boat. Rear seat is for sitdown only.

Cabin was for storage only, only went down there once. :D
Put it this way, w/ her on top, her head would be out the deck hatch. :evilb:

Court, thanks for the compliments.
Are you only looking for IO boats and 24s? I heard that 28 w/ the twin obs for sale was real nice. And a 28 is alot bigger than a 24.

In hindsight I wish I bought a 28 i was looking at instead of my 24. It would have cost me 8-10 more upfront, but would have had better resale in the backend.

Best of luck to you.

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Courtholl,

I am overall very pleased with my 24. It has a 496 with a Bravo and it will run 75 all day long. I run the boat in anything, I am not a fair weather boater, and I can out run most in the slop. The one thing I would change is steering. I did not get full hydraulic. Next winters upgrade.

Where are you located, I'm sure one of us 24 owners would be happy to give you a ride.

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Ya, I guess the doors LOOK crappy but they won't break! :D

Gassticks has the plexi doors on his. They look OK but the smoke color wouldn't match a white interior that well.

When I had my 454 Mag MPI, I saw 75.3 once. 74.x a few times, 72-73 consistantly.

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superbabi,

i would respectfully disagree with your outlook on unflattering opinions expressed about ANY brand of boat. If the opinion is based on fact or personal experience, why not share it? Isn't that the true spirit of what internet forums are all about? Are we supposed to censor our speech just because we are in a "certain" section of the forum? If it were me, and I was looking at a certain boat, I'd like to know the good, bad and the ugly...and I'd go to that section of the forum to find out about it.

these things need be said...the fact that you were on an ill-handling boat and choose not to disclose that brand is puzzling to me. i'm not asking you to bash, but what if someone were looking at buying that boat? would you stand mute and watch someone potentially lose their life?

and yes...i own a superboat :)

my .02

sean

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I got 65 MPH, MAX GPS that was calibrated and radar on my 1995 24' with 454/365 gil, bravo 23" labbed,cupped mirage plus, 750 Barry Grant, small, bigger cam and intake. Spedo alway read 73 but it was way off boat only did mid 60's. (( I would race guys that said they did mid 70's and we would do the same speed )) GPS need to be calibrated to elevation or they are not accurate guys, spedo's are always wrong and I don;t mean the spedos you wear.

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If your boat is only going 65 with 365 HP, something is not right. This is the first I've ever heard of GPS calibration. My 8 yr. old handheld GPS reads the same speed as my new GPS speedo. :confused:

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When i was running w/ seans boat in 2004, he was ahead of me and not really gaining much. I was running 65-66 wot and he said he was running 73 on speedo. He was probably doing more like 68-69.

But thats just splitting hairs.
His boat was nice and clean when i saw it and he seemed like the type of guy who'd take care of his stuff.

If i was interested in a boat, and it was gps'd a few mph slower than the owner said, it wouldn't stop me from buying, but 10mph is another story, especially if I wanted to be where the customer indicated.

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As far as speeds go for the two boats:
My 1989 24' Pantera powered by a stock 330HP 7.4 carb engine ran a best of 65mph spinning a 23p 3 blade. Most of the time I ran a 4 blade and she would top out at 60-63mph depending on the load.
My 1997 24' Super ran 1-2mph faster with a stock 310HP 7.4MPI. Now with the 502MPI she runs 72-76 depending on the load.
I would say Storm is right on with the Merc speedo readings. If Sean was seeing 73 on his speedo it was in all likelyhood about 68 GPS.
My speedo reads 75mph for 70 on the GPS and 84 on the speedo is 76 GPS.
I too have an eight year old hand held GPS with no calibration required... :drink:

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Pat, hows your boy likin the boat?

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Henry loves the boat these days, especially when he drives sitting on my lap... :D
It's hard to keep him from pushing the throttle too far. He doesn't quite understand that his 8 month pregnant mother can't handle getting bounced around... :eek:

Hey Storm,
Did you finish your addition?
Is it time for another boat?
I'm thinking your youngest is ready and I know your son has to be missing the boat...

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As long as we are all on the same page of not knocking Superboats !!!!

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Addition may not be done till November... with any luck.
And that would be fast.
I'm pretty busy w/ the renovation and wouldn't of had anytime for the boat.
I think my son wants me to get a whaler to go tubing an skiing.
I just hope i can cover the bills for the house. :eek:
With the way it keeps going, I coulda gotten a 39OL. :(

Here's before and current from a week ago.
Fully gutted. :eek:

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We are on Lake Norman in NC, Just north of Charlotte. We are looking for an I/O. Sorry outboard guys, I am not a fan of outboards. If anyone has a supperboat in the area, would like to look over and get a feel for them. Hard trying to find a good boat, and all that is around is bajas, etc. Fountain would be OK, but do not want to spend that much now. Have been on a pantera, and liked it. Superboats and sutphens seem to have similar hulls (7 ft beam, etc.). Just been hard to find a boat, aswill need to travel to look, etc. In the middle of a full house remodel and working on starting a business, so makes it hard. Sometimes think of just grabing a local baja; however, have not done this yet.

This supperboat is on Lake george now. Looks pretty clean. Thinking of whether to make an offer or not.

Thanks for all of the feedback.

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Court my old boat is in your locale.
And didn't mean to derail your thread.

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No worries. Yea, I know someone in Charlotte. hope I never see it, unless I am buying it. :drink: You are going to have one nice house. We are doing the samething, but just the inside. Not sure I have the stomach for what you are doing. We do as much ourselves, adn gringe when others come in to do work -- just want it done right, etc., and it is stressful when it looks like it is not going right. Good luck to ya, and thanks for the feedback.

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Dave read the information paperwork that came with your GPS, they are build all over and it will say you gps usally is calibrated to where it was mfg, CA is a much higher elevation that South Shore of NY, it will alter the MPH of your GPS. I have seen a few MPH diffrence in GPS to other GPS. My friend in dash GPS is 3.5 MPH diffrence to mine, which I calibrated he did not calibrate his. (( Radar even needs to be calibrated after it is used evey time ask any Police officer, they need to keep records of calibration after each use thats how lawyers beat speeding tickets, and lawyers beat speeding tickets when police pace you and issue tickets to cars speedometer, because there is a 10MPH correctulium, meaning car speedometers are sometimes off by 5-10 MPH.

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Read this guys ebay page, he's selling a 24' Super with a 240HP 2.5 mercury, boat on GPS does 58 MPH... I talked with this guy, the older 24's were made lighter than the nwer 24's also..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Super...spagenameZWDVW

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Superbash has a 2004 or 2005 24' Superboat outboard model.
With a 250HP Merc and 18" set back she ran a best of 71mph GPS. And with a 330X, 78mph GPS... :D
OH-Zone had an early 2000s 24' Superboat outboard with a 300X on a jackplate.
His boat ran in the neighborhood of 75mph GPS... :D

This boat you are listing must have other issues... :rolleyes:

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Hey Storm,
NICE JOB on the HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!! :drink:

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Pat, all due repect maybe they do go that fast. A met someone from OSO last year in the GSB he had a upper 90's 24' with a 250EFI and a 12" setback. He said he did 68/69 all day long. I ran with him and later jumped into his boat on my GPS he was doing 64 MPH, his in dash gps bouced from 68/69 MPH... who was right ? ( Note he was on a 1/8 tank gas and solo ) I have a doz stories like that, recently a 25' Checkmate with a 502 guy said he was doing 70 mph, checked on my gps it was doing 63mph, guys spedo was way off. ( We will never know exactly boat are tempermental, who ran on fumes they day they hit 70 with the wind at there back and water current and white caps flowing exactly they way they want, but run 66 all other times. I respect what everyone says, but only believe what I see on my GPS.

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I here you; some people add 5mph to their numbers and some don't understand GPS vs. Speedo...
Here in the CT River the GPS can read as much as 6mph different travelling north vs. south with the speedo reading the same either way...
Personally I do believe most of the guys that post here in the Superboat forum.
Anytime you would like to check you calibrated GPS vs. mine, come on up to CT. I can guaranty you that my boat goes a whole lot faster than 66... :drink:

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Pat, I am not questioning you at all I hope you don't think I was doing that ! ( My debate was spedos vs GPS and people who make up MPH ) There was a 24' superboat recently with twinn 200's on OSO guy said it did 70's in fact it could not break 70 on it's best day. GPS in my pocket it did 64/65 one time it hit 66 with twinn 200 Merc's guy still swore we were going 70 ?

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why not just time the run between two markers, measure the distance between them on the chart, and do the math. Thats an accurate way to measure speed.

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That way big years ago at the nautical mile, the points were maked off from Zacks bay to Tobay beach in the GSB who remembers that from the 80's. I seen this 24' Superboat, it is located in Hewlett clean, motor needs to be raised, and a diffrent prop guy may take $7000 I think it's a good deal. Motor is strong. boat may turn mid 60's + if you change the prop and raise the motor. I think the 74,75,76 superboat were much lighter than the later ones, this seams to be thin on the glass like other early 70's supers I seen over the years.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Super...spagenameZWDVW