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Progressions are nice. You're going to pay a lot more for one than a similar Superboat.

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'05 Season?...Between the Y2k orders & the new 34 CC at SUPERBOAT...you don't have much time to tire kick :D
-Dave a similar SUPERBOAT & PROGRESSION won't be much of a difference in price. All the extra work & different material = more $$.

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Kevin at Progression is sending me a package regarding the 24 LD I/O that prices it out with a 496 HO, 280 K Planes and assorted other options. He is also providing a price on a 22 OB with a 250 Merc. From there, I will visit his shop and see where we go. I already have definitive prices from JC, for a 24 Superboat, 496 HO, K Planes, Gaffrig Gauges,
motor race mount, 1 piston external steering, from last year at this time.

Thanks,
Ken

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Ken
I"m not pushing Progression or Superboat, but I think you realize that a standard layup Progression & Superboat are different...with the standard Progression being higher quality more $$ material . Superboat will be less $$ standard... unless you specify how you want it built. (It's been covered before on here & ScreamAndFly.)

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Hey Guys,
Correct me if I'm wrong... Progression use balsa coring throughout; no plywood.
Superboats are built with some balsa coring, but plywood is used in a lot of areas.
Superboats can be built with balsa coring throughout as an option. I believe it's called the lightweight hull...
The other big difference in production technique is vacuum bagging. Progression does it; Superboat does not...
Progressions are more $$ any way you slice it... :p

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Progression uses baltek as stringers and in the transom also.A bare 29 weighs in at 2660lbs full int and no power.How heavy is a y2k with out power?My 30 Tempest weighed in at 4600 minus 90 gallons of fuel 550lbs put me at 4050. How much will a 29 Prog weigh with power?

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Sweet. :cool:

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Pat,
We use Balsa core from the chine down on all our boats. The difference between the lightweight layup and a pleasure layup is due to using 1708 glass rather then 24oz. roving in the pleasure model. On the lightweight layup, the sides are also cored with Divinycell foam coring. The 1708 glass and the Divinycell coring will give a big weight reduction in the layup. 1708 e glass is also expensive, and so is the Divinycell coring (around $ 8.00 sq. ft.).
As far as Progressions are concerned. They are a quality built boat. All Progressions come with a blueprinted bottom(which is added to the price) You will pay more for a Progrression then a stock Superboat. Then again, If you want your bottom blueprinted, I will do it for you. If you want the cabin interior done, I will also do that. We don't vaccum bag our hull layups, but for a fee we'll do it. My hull layups are pretty tight. These extras cost money. By the time you get done adding them all up, you'll find they cost around the same.
I just got done laying up Superbabi's hull. If you want to see what a quality layup looks like, stop on by the shop

Rick

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Got my package back from Progression. Bottom line, without getting into any real detail because I have to go out for dinner, a 24 LD Progression I/O, with K planes, hydraulic steering, unfinished cabin, foot throttle, foot drive trim, and some other items which I cannot remember at the moment, will be priced somewhat similarly to the Superboat 496 HO Y2K, or around $63 and change.

Thanks,
Ken

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Ken,
A 24' Progression is the same price as a 30' Superboat?
That is like comparing apples to oranges... :rolleyes:

Rick,
Keep building them the way you are. Your 30' Y2K is vary reasonably priced.
Build lots of them so maybe I can afford a used one in a few years.
If I could spend 60K on a boat, I'd be next in line for one...
That's if the Zuperboat is not for sale... :drink:

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Just think !!! If you ordered one back in the summer when he had a sale on the Y2K's, you could have had one for around $ 50,000.00.

Rick

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Ken,
All I can say is that it''s going to be hard to beat our quality and price. Pound for pound, we're the best value.

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While we're on this subject. I know John jrs. or fastedy's Y2K's aren't "50K Y2k's". Besides their power...what is the difference in there 500h.p + hull lay up? Is it what you just mentioned FX-10? Gene...(I may stop by later.)

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I'd have to agree with FX, pound for pound, no better deal than SB out there - I hunted across the nation and bought where my dollars went the furthest, and have not looked back! I have hard core powerboaters ride with me and are impressed by it's simplicity, build, efficiency and performance.

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KEN, WHY THINK ANYTHING ELSE THAN SUPERBOAT? RICK, JC, PRICE,IT DOESNOT GET ANY BETTER!!!!!!!!!!! RICK CAN DO IT ANY WAY YOU WANT. LOOK AT ALL CURRENT POSTS FOR Superbabi !!!!!!!!!!!

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Ken , Just Pulled Out Invoice For Superbabi!!!!!!!!2005 Y2k-------496ho--steering One Piston--380 K Planes--motor Race Mts.--all Guages, And Extra Guages.--depth Finder--compass--two Batterys, And Switch.--rear Seat Handle Bar--cover--sea Strainer--fresh Water Flush--cd Player--cabin Cushions--fire Stop System Auto-manual--motor Electric Hatch....all For Under $66.000. Now Thats A Deal!!!!!!!!!!!!! Better Order Now!!!!!!!!!!since Original Invoice I Put More Options--gps --full Winter Cover ( No More Shrinking ) More Guages, Extra Bilge Pump--fairing Sanded And Painted. ( No Foam) Thats It. Grand Total. $ 70.000 And Change. More Options To Come????????????????

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Fellow SB'ers :)
-I blew my motor. It had 7 hrs on it. Happened Friday afternoon. I am still in shock. After di-section... it was noted that the FORGED STEEL crankshaft snapped in half. New powerhead from MERC en-route. This s-h-i-t could only happen to me ( & maybe Pat :rolleyes:)


-Right before shots.......

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PIC1
-I drew much attention being the only idiot out there in 45 degrees & a 30 knot wind.

PIC2
-SUPERBOAT towing SUPERBOAT.....it doesn't get any better than that!


Scream&Fly Link
http://forums.screamandfly.com/forum...threadid=73217

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GEEZ Bash!!!! Words can't express - that SUX!!!!! Never take a towing picture - they'll haunt you forever!! Time for yet another winter project..... man if I were closer I'd roll up my sleeves and grab my wrenches......HANG IN THERE - Remember the mantra " I love boats, I love boating, repeat endlessly while turning wrenches and sipping adult beverages!!!!

All together now......

I love boats....... I love boating...........................

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That's probably the best deal out there for a 30' and under performance boat...WOW !

There's a 30 Y2K running out in the Hampton Bays / Peconic area that performs real well and is quick out of the hole.

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Sorry about the power head Superbash.
That Superboat towing Superboat shot looks all too familiar brother.

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Wes That Boat In The Hamptons Should Be Good Out Of The Hole,its Got Twins.you Know Come To Think Of It We Never Recieved And Final Performance Number On That Boat Did We. Dammm Bash Sorry To Hear But I Cant Say I Dont Know The Feeling.tripps Has Been Towing Me In For Years.

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I love boating ..I love boating ..

dam how many hours on that shaft bash? I hav never been good with eggbeaters but we all know how it feels, last year 16 hours on a MRD 509 sucked a valve ,I almost cried!
hey Krac season over?

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HECK no!!!!

From the other post on Superbabi's new 30:
We finally turn a cold turn today, expecting lows in the 30'3, but this weekend high will still be in the mid 60's and we will be on the bay!! 29 hrs on the new SB, still lovin' it!!

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LATEST POLL RESULTS

-24 I/O's in the lead with 10. :mad:

-30Y2K's with a whopping 5 :rolleyes:

-24 O/B's with a measly 4. http://photos.imageevent.com/superbash/gifs/cussing.gif

-& whats this...3 Y2K's with the Tempest deck :confused: ??? hmmmm........:rolleyes:

-(2) 16's & (2) 21's reporting in only.:o

-Tripps voted for the 34 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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Two Local 21's from the past. Both bought new from JC...& rigged at EastCoastMarine.
FX...that is Dirk Pitt a.k.a Joey LeFranchie...he bought like 3 new 21's & a 24 in the 80's!!! Or was it (3)24's & a 21 ??????????

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Big Bills new style deck 21 from LongIsland. He has one of two O/B's made. He runs right at 80 with a 250XB. He also owned the red/white 21 in the previous pics....& the red/white 21 with twins he bought off my buddy in the early nineties.

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THE HOSERS:cool: 300X 21...bought new by him in '85 + or -. Has run 94GPS.

-An unknown to me 24O/B.....FX10 any idea what year??? It has the same "RETRO" gel scheme I got on my '04 :cool: .

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Bash,
Can't tell what year the 24 is. Damn !!! If it gets any warmer out tomorrow, I'm gonna uncover my boat and go for a blast. Your new powerhead come in yet ?

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No not yet. Its gonna be 40's - 50's for the next week. I would be out there if I could. George ( S & F's "Ghost28") is going out tomorrow for his trial run in his new Yammi powered 21...

-PIC of my "NEW" prop...I have quite a collection now :rolleyes:

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How much longer till it comes in ?

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I gotta go down there tomorrow. It may be in. Just the holiday week slowed everybody down 3 weeks. :rolleyes:
-Do you/will you still make the "FX10 SUPERVADER" :cool: ...If I could figure out what size new motor would be riggable on one....I would like one.

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Yup, the molds are at the shop now. I have a pic of one with a 70 Merc on it. It's faster, and more manuverable then the GW Invader. I still want to try to add inserts in the hull to step the chine around 2' from the transom. I think it'll give it even more speed. Next one built will go to my girls with a 25hp.
Wait, I just found the pic on scream and fly. Hope it works.

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As you can see in the pic, I tricked out the bottom alittle. It's now a mild V, with a wide pad, with inverted chines. It gets more lift, and goes alot faster then a GW. Bash, with a 40hp, you'll do around 50mph. Not bad for a 10' boat. I don't know how fast it goes with the 70hp.No GPS. I do know that I do mid 50's, and he goes by me like I'm standing still.

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They're sweet!...I need one that will handle 1-2's... keep up with most...not all... wave runners....& click off a 70 on demand http://photos.imageevent.com/superba.../wellfunny.gif The new motors are so heavy which makes it a problem.
-Pat ...are you interested in a stern drive set up :rolleyes: ?

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Just driving around the block from me in Amity Harbor...see an all white Invader in a guys side yard...he has two Allisons there also......not sure if its a GW or an FX.

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The one on the side yard is a FX Supervader. Steve Panico owns that one, he was my partner with the molds. It's the first one made. That also had a 70hp on it. I was making that one, had the hull completed and went to my parents house in North Carolina for a week, When I came back Steve had the deck skinned with a ply of 1.5 oz. Mat. He then pulled it out of the mold unfinished, just to see how it would look on the hull. I was sooooo pissed. He had someone from Progression do the mat lay up on the deck. And the glasswork sucked. I had to put the deck BACK in the mold and finish it. There is one stress crack on the transom, but that was from Steve trying to take out the deck before it was finished. The floor followes the chine up to the bow. It is also foam filled. One TUFF little boat.
The white Allison is also for sale. I believe it's a XR2000, 21'. That boat has been seen over 120mph. He'd take $ 3,500.00 for boat and trailer I think. He also has a few motors.
Bash, where are you in the Harbor ? I grew up on Harding Rd, down by Tanner Park.
If you want to see the difference of how the Gw and FX are built, let me know. I'll take you over to Steves and you can see both of the . The grey one I have a pic of and the FX. The grey one is the plug that I used to make the molds.

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Is steve panico a truck or was a truck mechanic?? if so i need his phone# i havent seen him for a while and would like to say hello tripps [email protected] happy new year everybody!!!! tripps

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Tripps,
Are you thinking of Mike Panico ? He's partners with Ritchie with R & M Truck Service. I don't have Mikes # off hand.
Bash,
Mike owns the Burgandy and white Allison on the side of the yard.

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Rick...bash,,,,i Had A Gw Invader, Say 30 Years Ago, With A Merc. Running Up And Down The Hudson River. Jersey Side. Wow !!!!! What Great Memories !!! My Dad Had A 30' Pacemaker With Twin 318's ,big Semi Displacement Hull, Pushing A Big Bad Wake !!!!!! Now That Was Some Great Flight Time !!!!!!!