30' with Small Blocks
 

Anyone tried 500hp small blocks on an Ocean Pacer without transmissions? Balance? Speed?

Robert, A pair of healthy small blocks and some XR's sure would be a tough combo to beat in an old 30.

Morgan
Sutphen Performance Group

When I first picked up my old Ocean Pacer she had old worn out 520 HP small blocks that would turn 6500RPMs in her. She had transmissions and Arneson surface drives, can't help you without those. I only saw mid-high 80's before those engines blew sky high but suppossedly she ran 92. As far as the balance, it was like a tank.

Your boat looks great. Are you just trying to get a feel for what kind of #'s you can expect when Summer comes around? I would probably guess with normal drives you should be mid 80's.

I've got a pair of new small blocks I had built for blowers sitting in the shop gathering dust from my last project and I started daydreaming about what would be the optimum setup for that hull. Mostly it's just winter :grinser010:.

Nace pic's of your old boat, ( Still Looking for a 3 man )

Len, thanks for the comments. Your best bet is still the Execution Express in CT @ independent marine. The boat doesn't have a trailer or engines and needs a complete restore but you could buy it CHEAP.

ex express is in NH at lake winni,...asking low
20's/high teens...10-12 would bee a better neighborhood, 818181 sold a 30 w/ trs, needing a refit w/ trailer for around 10....

Thanks guys, yes still after a 3 man and also open to a size of boat, nothingt smaller than a 30 and have been thinking about something much larger if it was a race boat.

I have not talk to them in a while about the boat Execution Express as they wanted to much for it ?????

Did they lower the price????? and now no power how are you guys getting these numbers and whats changed with the boat

Info please and what she need now and what would i be getting into..

Talk soon

They were willing to accept $15000 a year and a half ago. I imagine now that would get a little lower.

Sorry for the highjacking.....back to Jammin's speed figures.

hey wade...
last year they were telling me 19 fully disassembled and they'd let me have a trailer at cost...
...anyhow, the 30' kaama sutphen that recently went to illinois was supposed to run 92 on gps on a pair of mrd 498's ( hp?). i think i had it up to about 80 in small swells at the cape on
9-11..
c

Help yourself. It's just nice to hear a little Sutphen talk.

i have a 30 sutphen with 2 sbc and crash boxes with saddle tanks and trs the boat is balanced perfect

inferno sold?? when did this happen?

Sutphen Small Blocks
 

No "INFERNO" is still mine! Toasty has a boat with same equipment!!

Whats going on with inferno, would love to see some updated pic's and of cockpit...

Are you still selling????? I cant get my private messages as i have to sign up again if anyone is sending


For you guys that have seen or called about Ex Express whats it need and what are the concerns

ex exp needs a full refit. only concern would be cost of re-rig vs value at the end of the deal. it would really be a labor of love with no hope of any ROI...you'll need cash, financing would be way-out...about 40k and a trailer to make her a contender..45-50 said and done?
wade? any ideas?
i believe toasty's boat was a good deal, needing little to get going, and small blocks are a realistic, manageable expense...
dave had a value a while ago...30 w drivetrain, needed interior and BBC's....on a trailer for less than ex exp...
c

What deal was my boat?!?! I never put a # on it. unless you are typing of the deal i made to buy it? Plus noone wants my junk now anyway...It runs and is together! the boat is a total sleeper murdering 35 and 38 cigarettes, powerplays, sonics all day! and have spare everything...expect a unstable 96+ with the way it is set up now, but its fun in 3-4 foot chop

C

As some of you know I own a very special Sutphen.

I've had it for 3 years, I'm the second owner, and put about 75 hrs. on her.

It's all original gelcoat & interior & looks great.

Engines, drives, and trans are not original.

With the big engines it ran 94 mph. "B&G engines" About 550 hp..Gary Hartman in Point Pleasant built them.

It's still set up the same way it won the 2004 P-5 National Championship. It's a great piece & a blast to run.

For the $ you guys are talking about I would sell you mine. It's a 1988 & turn key ready to Race or poker run.

3 man bolster setup with the back seat option, if you choose just to cruise with the family.

Spare engine included.

2nd set

These were taken New Years Day 2009 on our Fun Run.

chris...
that's what i'm saying...when your boat was for sale in ventnor, the guy wanted what? 15.5 for it?..that's a steal! it was on a trailer, and was fully (yet a bit sketchy, 1 alum+ 1 iron sbc) rigged, but for someone to drop a new pair of sb's in it wouldnt break the bank, and you'd get (as you know) one hell of a ride...as far as nobody wanting it...i'd have to disagree!
L-S...right as well, for the money to refit ex exp, one could definitely locate other opportunities...
don't get me wrong, i love the boat in NH, but a 3-man and i just aren't the match to be made right now for that kind of cash..
just trying to keep it realistic for len....
c

If anyone wants a little bigger Sutphen Tsunami is for sale. It is a 3 man boat and will make a great race or pleasure boat now that its been totally re-rigged.

The baddest old schooler out there! And mint looking! Don't ever change a thing to this one...nice ride guys!

That's why Great Adventure is a 3 man bolster boat with a back seat....perfect combination ;)

Thanks no limits, the boat is awesome. Anyone looking for a great all around poker run or race boat should check this one out! It's got a lot of great history and probably has won the most races out of any other Sutphen out there.

Hey Guys thanks for the coments and lets keep this going,

Yes i will end up with a 3 man race boat no matter what.
Im sold on haveing one as thats what im interested in even though they are not realistic with how you can use them.

I want to buy one as smart as i can dollars wise as it will need to be redone but im willing to do so even if it takes a bit to complete as im thinking long term as i want the right boat so that im not buying and selling every few years. Ive sold my 27 Magnum and also have a 32 ft express style boat aswell

Lucky strike i love the boat but dont want the rear seat and do want a full (org race dash) like the others your dad had.

If there is any info on them i would like to hear about it.

also keep me in mind if any other type of 3 man boats come up

Tell me more about what was said and what they were willing to accept for the boat.

Guys what would the boat run with small blocks and what would it run with big blocks

What drives would work best with that boat

No backseat now :D

Sutphen -Small Blocks
 

The only reason I got "INFERNO" ,[But NOT CHEAP", Is because it's the 1st one outta the Sutphen stable built ,#1, It needed everything, It still needs small things ,but u have to figure out ,that when your done, U have a piece of History, As well as "Great Adventure", "TSUNAMI", "Toasty" etc. , Money is 2nd, The accomplishment is everything!!!

L-S...
post 27, witty retort...
c

They are fun, but pre historic...you can save your $$ for a few years longer and go buy a 2-3 year old activator or bad boy powerboat and go twice as fast with way less HP. Its total nostalgia. None of these Sutphens are going to bring major coin a perfect hull and motor package maybe 35k 40k tops and it has to be perfect…stringers new power new top quality everything. But a 30 race will be way better then any 27 mag or 28 cig any day and is way more manageable both $$ wise and handle wise then a 38 or 41. I run my 30 by myself on occasion when I don’t want to hear grown men tell me to slow down but I mostly go with Eddy and Spacer Toth, or pack a few girls in the bolsters. It’s a total army jeep

LS JRs smile…goofey head, bring that piece up here, I will roll toasty out of the shed to play, we are doing floor gauges and throttles now

15.5k Osborn was asking way more then that when i looked at it. then i walked then he needed coin and called we split the 15.5 in 1/2 and the right drive lasted a season, the alum head motor 3 seasons and the orig tired bandit racing motor 4 seasons. all new parts now all matched, no osborn mess... when toth owned it the boat was a 10

Loving old boats is a curse.

I 2nd that motion

The old stuff has character and i love the old school lines

When you get done with it it will probably be a 10.5.
When I sold Ed the boat it had two brand new L82 Chevy 350s with 3 races on them, what happened to those engines ?
When you say you paid 15.5 divided in half what do you mean, you paid $7,750 for the boat and trailer ?

LS

Thats a great boat with the best of both worlds Race and pleasure cockpit.

runs good numbers and has a great history.

cant beat that package.
What was the number that would buy that boat?
I am just curious not buying unless I sell mine.'
Have had a bit of interest in mine lately though so you never know.

what hp where the L82s i know eddie had kurt build 425 bandits with iron heads. e mailed the showroom site
trrailer was ok but not great, drives where real bad wiring real bad boat needed lots of stuff and bottom needed attention
Ritchie didnt core them right and lots of bottoms had issues so that was taken care of...lots of hrs on the bottom making it perfect. what was the deal with the old exhaust holes seemed like when the boat was rigged had hole above the rub rail then when you got it the holes got lowered??

The L-82s were probably about 325 hp. New long blocks from Chev a little worked before we put them in.
The boat was in mint shape when I sold it to Ed. Probably had about 90 total hrs on the hull.
Exhaust was below the rub rail when I bought it from Teddy who's family owned the Bay Bridge Inn on Rt 37 & the bay. He put the boat togeather when it was new & raced it in Sport Class under the name" Nick The Greek "

maybe ritche had them cut then patched them. Eddy always kept his stuff clean. Even the 41. It would be interesting to find out who rigged it for Teddy? i have lots of pictures of everything.

Here you go Len. This boat looks truly entertaining. A 28' Pantera 3 man bolster with triple outboards.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Boats...8#ht_500wt_874

wow 2.4's goin old school.

Thats got to be a fun ride.

Bumping an old thread. So, does Great Adventure have small-blocks? If so, how many HP and how fast is it? Big blocks are a tight fit in the 30' OPs. How much power would you need to get one to run 80+ with TRS drives? Would you pick up much speed with a Bravo conversion?
Thanks! :drink: