What, (if any) are the known problems with the 2006 Ford 6.0 PS
 

Getting ready to pull the trigger on an new truck, and I don't want to get a "Problem child" from the git go. I'm not that Ford brand loyal that I wouldn't consider a Dodge if the new 2006 Power strokes are having headgasket or any other issues.
Thanks,
Dean

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zero problems. Pulling #18,000 no problem.

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i've got 44k on my 05 now, with the last 4 or 5k running with my edge/intake/exhaust on it... no problems....

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Sean, my 04 has 58k on it with the edge and turbo back, no problems, just started looking for an 06, found 2 king ranches, I have'nt heard of any problems, just looking to upgrade, Let me know if you hear anything wrong or problems with them, are you looking for 250 or 350? which gears 3.73 or 4,10. pretty good deals msrp 52,305 buy at 43,185, is this a good deal?

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I've got 37k on my 2004 F-250 6.0 pulling a 29' Fountain or 28 Eliminator cat. It's been in the dealer shop more times than I care mention, New Turbo, computer problems, and I just got it back the other day for blown head gaskets, that were replaced. The dealer did cover everything under warranty. I have always been a Ford person, but have not been happy with this one.

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I would love to give you guys a price on a new Ford. Give me a call if I can help. www.sandersford.com
Mat
910-478-4101

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El05,
Sorry to hear about all your problems. :( At least Ford is standing behind product. Did you buy it new? Can you do the lemon law sell back, (Fl. has a auto lemon law, I think it's 3 visits to dealer for same problem in 1st year or 12,000 miles.)?
Wasn't 2004 the first year for the 6.0 PS/Torqueshift tranny?

Thanks for the input everybody,

MC,
I'll give you a PM tomorrow, I've been laying bed SICK all holiday, and highlighing all the options we want in a 2006 brouchure! :D
Dean

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All the problems were pretty much worked out in '04.
2004-1/2 and later 6.0L's should have no problems.

I'm loving my '05.

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/index.php
www.thedieselstop.com

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06 F350 Crewcab King Ranch 4x4 Dually

Thanks, Tom

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mc, still looking for 06 white/ar beige king ranch 6.0 with 20
' wheels and roof, have found only 1 per above quote, ready to buy if you can help. thanks jim

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It's a crap shoot, if you get a lemon get them to swap out ASAP.

The D-Max is a great diesel and the Allison Tranny is bulletproof.

But Ima GM guy.

Wannabe

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i've seen allison blow too... some trucks multiple times... :eek: :D

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2003 dodge qc 2500ctd 6 speed 52000 +not 1 problem cousin has a f250 and wount even talk to me his 2003 new motor may of this year 40k miles

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My early 04 F350 had a few problems, got strainteded out. My 05 was perfect and my 06 F250 w/new 20's and chrome pack is the best Ford Ive owned yet. The ride is excellent w/20's, looks good being stock and pulls excellent. Power for some odd reason is stated to be the same but is definatly quicker, we run them against each other and it pulls away great. Ive ordered a SCT from Innovative Diesel w/3 tunes, Tow w/jake brake, Street with pilot injection to 1000rpms and lock up converter in 4th and 5th, and Xtreme Race with lock up in 2-5th gears. Along with a Silverline 409 (same as DPPI or MBRP)turbo back exhuast w/cat delete pipe and cool duals w/5" tips. This time I will keep the stock filter but do the doodad mod which introduces cold air in at a lower point before the filter with a screen mesh, helped on my 05, and lowered EGTs. For gauges went again with BD-Xmonitor, which mounts under grab handle and color cood. with trucks interior for that built in look.

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06 PSD's should be no problem.
Earlier versions did have some quirks that have been worked out in the last couple of years.

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I have a 06 PSD, pulled my 35 ft mistress for the first time, great towing power. I checked with every Ford PSD driver about problems before ordering a 06. No known problems. Fuel mileage 16-17 local driving, 19-20 highway, non-towing. Like it so far.

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2005 f350 with 15,000 mi. and so far no issues. Doing chip intake and exhaust next week.

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friends o5 just got it out of the shop it lost oil pump drive :( Id buy a gm or dodge over a ford anyday the new duramax is sick and so is that new cummins 600

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I have a 04 that has been a nightmare. I now have 32,000 on it. It has a Nov 03 build date and I just wish I knew then what I know now. The list of problems include..... AC that has been worked on twice and still wont blow cold air, 1 turbo replaced (after blowing several hoses off and insisting that was the problem), 2 wiring harnesses replaced, 1 tie rod end, 1 heater core and the thing has been flashed more times than I care to count. I'm sure I'm missing a few things but you get the idea. I will say I have driven the last 5,000 without a burp but I'm not getting my hopes up.

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Ford owns my 04 now. It never quit, never left me anywhere,pulled whatever I hooked up to with no complaints for 30k miles, never leaked a drop of oil.. It threatened me a LOT though, I gave it back to em.

My 06 @ 13k miles is flawless.. I'm about to pull the trigger on a couple more for the company...

I would like the Allison 6 speed in it tho...

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04/psd .....41k miles. never been to the shop

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Problems?? It says Ford on it.

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:evilb: Exactly :D what he said :evilb:

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And you used to own one GL....

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No more problems than the POS Chevy my wife owned when I first met her :mad:
Tried to turn it in under lemon law, couldn't do it, so we SUED the dealership and WON! Stuffed that Chevy right up their AZZ!
DEan

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http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=103776

Ford's diesel drama drags on: Power Stroke woes anger buyers, drive up warranty costs

James and Penny Schrader have bought Fords faithfully for 30 years.

But persistent problems with the Power Stroke diesel engine in their 2004 F-250 pickup have unraveled three decades of brand loyalty. The Schraders, both 63, put a second mortgage on their home in Linden, Mich., to buy the $45,000 truck. Now they say they'll probably never buy another Ford.

"My husband wouldn't look at anything else," says Penny Schrader of their pickup. "But I don't care how good their product was in the past. They haven't treated me well as a loyal customer."

The Schraders aren't alone. Ford Motor Co. has been sued at least 58 times by consumers who bought 2003- and 2004-model Power Stroke trucks. The company also has fielded more than 12,000 consumer complaints, according to Ford's internal warranty data.

Not a minor flaw

This isn't a minor flaw that Ford can dispatch with basic service. The Power Stroke's warranty repair costs are battering Ford's bottom line. In a conference call with Wall Street analysts last March, a company executive acknowledged that Ford's diesel-powered super-duty pickups suffered from quality problems.

Ford has declined to estimate the cost of fixing those defective Power Stroke engines. But Ford has acknowledged that its warranty costs ballooned by $500 million through the first nine months of 2005, compared with the same period a year earlier.

Ford says it is honoring the engine's five-year, 100,000-mile warranty and doing everything it can to repair it. And newer versions of the engine in late 2004- and 2005-model pickups are more reliable.

But the problem will continue to fester. Ford already has sold more than 384,000 diesel trucks with potentially defective engines. And customers like the Schraders appear ready to abandon the brand.

Fixing its diesel problems - in terms of both engine performance and public confidence - is crucial for Ford because the stakes are enormous: Diesels account for about 25 percent of all F-series sales, and the 6.0-liter Power Stroke is a $5,000 option. The engine is offered on medium- and heavy-duty pickups, and had been offered on the discontinued Ford Excursion SUV.

From 225,000 to 250,000 diesel-powered F-series trucks are sold each year, at prices ranging from $30,000 to $50,000-plus.

If Ford can't put things right, the Power Stroke could cause a consumer backlash similar to that of Chrysler's problem-plagued Ultradrive transmission, which alienated minivan owners in the early 1990s.

"If this isn't fixed, and fixed right, and customer satisfaction put back on track, there will be fallout," says Art Spinella, president of CNW Marketing Research Inc. in Bandon, Ore. "Ford will lose buyers to Dodge and General Motors."

Trouble from the start

The 6.0-liter Power Stroke engine has been troublesome from the day it was launched in the fall of 2002. It replaced a somewhat unrefined 7.3-liter diesel.

The powertrain was built by a longtime Ford diesel supplier, International Truck and Engine Corp., of Melrose Park, Ill.

For this version of the engine, International Truck designed a unique high-pressure fuel-injection system.

Most automakers use only electronic controls to operate the fuel injectors in a common-rail system. But the Power Stroke's fuel injectors are operated by a high-pressure oil pump as well as electronics.

According to several of the 150-plus complaints posted on the Web site of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, some trucks never even made it home from the dealership before the fuel injectors or turbocharger failed.

The engine also has been plagued with leaky fuel injectors, oil leaks, broken turbochargers, wiring harness troubles, faulty sensors, defective exhaust gas recirculation valves and bad computers.

Since the engine debuted three years ago, Ford has issued at least 77 technical service bulletins. That is far above average, even for a new engine. These bulletins tell mechanics how to diagnose and fix various problems.

By comparison, there have been eight service bulletins for GM's Duramax diesel V-8 and none for the diesel engine in the Dodge Ram truck. Both engines debuted at about the same time as the Power Stroke.

After just a year on the market, International almost completely redesigned the Power Stroke's fuel system, replacing or redesigning nearly 500 parts. That helped reduce the number of problems, but did not cure the engine of all its ills. Ford has voluntarily recalled the engine at least twice to fix various problems.

The troubles have caused a rift in relations between Ford and International.

The engine can be repaired and made reliable, says International spokesman Bob Carso. Engineers from Ford and International have fixed the problems that plagued the early versions of the engine, he said.

But Carso says the engine is extremely complex and requires "outstanding diagnostic capabilities" to properly identify and repair the faulty parts.

Less help from Ford?

When the Power Stroke's troubles surfaced, Ford tried hard to keep customers happy. In the summer of 2003, Ford took the unusual step of buying back 500 trucks, mostly because of fuel system problems.

But two diesel technicians say Ford has changed the way it deals with the engine problems.

"When they first started out with the 6.0-liter, Ford had a team that was looking over every bit of it and just doing whatever it took to get them fixed," says Mark Ward, a master diesel technician at Landers McLarty Ford in Bentonville, Ark. "And then that just shut off like a light when Ford found out how much losses they were having."

Ward contends Ford is trying to shift more repair costs onto consumers.

"We used to replace turbochargers left and right if the fins had any damage to them," he says. "Now they (Ford) won't accept a turbo back with any fin damage. They are saying if there is any (turbocharger) fin damage whatsoever, it has to be from a dirty air filter. You have to inform the customer that Ford won't pay for that. It's $700, plus the labor."

The fin is the part of the turbocharger that is driven by engine's exhaust system.

"When the 6.0 is running properly, it has much better performance than the 7.3 did," says Charles Ledger, a Ford master technician from Oroville, Calif. "Unfortunately, the 6.0 is plagued with sensor problems." Ledger dispenses advice on his Dieselmann Web site (intellidog.com/dieselmann/home.html).

Ford: No change in policy

Cisco Codina, president of Ford's customer service division, says Ford is not blaming consumers or trying to shift repair costs onto buyers.

"We have not changed any policies whatsoever as it relates to defective material," Codina says. "We don't try to put this blame on the customers. We will spend whatever amount of time and money necessary to help customers who have problems."

Not all of the Power Stroke's defects can be blamed on Ford and International. Consumers may cause problems by installing unauthorized parts that boost engine output. Aftermarket computer chips and exhaust systems can upset the delicate tuning of the engine and cause head gaskets to blow out, Ward says.

Last year Ford and International officials told Automotive News that the Power Stroke's troubles were over. But that turns out to be only partially true.

The engines made today have a better record for reliability, according to NHTSA (see story, above). But those 2003- and early 2004-model engines keep breaking down. And consumers are angry at having to return to the dealership time after time for "reflashes" - new software to be installed in the vehicle's engine computer or other repairs.

Getting better

The number of complaints for 2005 Power Stroke engines has dropped sharply compared with earlier versions since last year's redesign of the engine's fuel system.

But there still are thousands on the road that are not reliable - and may never be. Design deficiencies in some faulty parts, Ward says, have not been addressed.

"If you look at the part number at the new one you are putting on, it's identical to the one you are taking out," notes Ward, the Arkansas technician. "If you start out with something cheap, what do you expect to happen?"

Ward details the engine's troubles and Ford's technical service bulletins on his Web site, flatratetech.com.

The Power Stroke's troubles are reminiscent of Chrysler Corp.'s A-604 automatic transmission - dubbed Ultradrive - that was introduced in Chrysler minivans in 1989. The first versions of the electronically shifted transmission had more problems than a calculus book. Technicians couldn't fix them, consumers were fuming, and Chrysler ended up replacing thousands of transmissions under warranty.

But Codina says Power Stroke has generated more complaints than rival diesels simply because more diesel Fords are on the road.

Says Codina: "We try to address each and every (problem) as we became aware of them. I am sure I am not aware of all of them. But if they (consumers) come to us, we try to do our very best. But today if you have one or two problems, people are not very happy with you."

One more chance

As for the Schraders, three days before they were to appear before a Lemon Law arbitration panel in November, Ford offered to buy back their old truck, waive mileage costs and put them in a 2006 model.

After consulting with a lawyer, the Schraders took the deal. The couple left Michigan a few days later for a road trip West. But they are still angry with Ford because they had to spend a year trying to get their truck fixed.

And they will not cut the new truck any slack. If the new truck so much as sputters, James Schrader says he will pull into the nearest Dodge dealership and trade it for a Ram.

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Rehashed old article used to fill mt space in the paper recently...

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05 F350, not a problem at 15k so far. Love the ride of this truck, far superior to my 02.

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It's dated 12/14/05 and Autoweek mag has been a fairly straight shooter over the years. IMO

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I know what is dated, but it is just a rehash, no new info...

I have a lot of customers with 06's and 05's, runnning fine... Time will tell :) :)

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04 Excursion 43,000 miles and no major problems.....Built 12/03 inservice 4/04.....

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<<<------Didn't buy a ford
no problem

Bought a new GM truck
no problem

Have over 600,000 miles on GM vehicles
no problem

did i mention didn't buy a ford
won't have a problem :evilb: :evilb: :D :D

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Well, aside from all the engine problems and a weak transmission, and being a Ford what else do you want to know Dean??? :D :D :D

Now before I get flamed here, if the 6.0 is such a great platform, why are they abandoning it to run a 6.4 (or possibly a 6.6) with twin turbos???? Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire. Expect to see a few trucks burned to the ground with the heat that the twin turbos will generate. Just as Cat about the trucks they burned down with their wonderful twin turbo ACERT engines. :rolleyes:

I am kind of biased however as I've always been a GM guy and do work for the Allison dealer here in town, but with all the problems I've heard of with the 6.0, I'd buy a Dodge (did I just say that out loud?) before I'd go with a 6.0 Powerstroke with the Junkshift, I mean Torqshift. :D :D :D

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how much are roasted allisons worth? i know a few that are laying around.... :D :evilb:

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I would think they're worth much more than broke 6.0 Ford components, at least from a collector standpoint, as there aren't as many laying around. :evilb: :D

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Tougher emissions standards, higher fuel economy and more horsepower....

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Okay your gonna have to explain your "heat that the twin turbos will generate" statement for me. I run a twin turbo Dodge and have watched the Egts cool down by about 300*. Twin turbos reduce heat and reduce EGTs. By increasing the airflow of intercooled air to the combustion process, you have a more complete combustion inside the chamber, and less escaped heat from delayed ignition of the diesel fuel.

Corey

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Haven't followed the 6.0 real close but I heard Ford was telling Walls Street a month or so ago that their profitability for 2005 was in the tank due to "unforseen" engine warranty
costs. Word was that it was 6.0. I heard Ford agreed not sample 6.0 customers for their Dealer Satisfaction Surveys as some dealers were threatening not to order them. Perhaps a
Ford rep can chime in on this?

Had dinner a few weeks ago with a IH dealer who was thinking about selling his franchise due to the potential liability he believes he will be facing due to 6.0 and IH wiring issues that have been going on. In regards to the twin tubro heat, wait till you see what 2007 emission systems bring. Cooling system performance in most OEM's are being pushed right now and when they push more cooled EGR in the motor it is even getting warmer :D, not to mention more soot in the engine :( The level of engineering put into some of the chassis designs sometimes makes you wonder:rolleyes: On the plus side by 2007 the exhaust on some trucks will be actually cleaner than the air in some cities!

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Too late now, just bought 2006 F-350 4x4 Crew Cab yesterday! I guess we'll have to see how well it does.
Thanks for the input guys.
Dean

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I saw the pics on the other thread looks awesome, identical to mine, except I have a 250 w/camper pck, you will love the truck. Try www.dieselstop.com for aftermaket stuff, like www.innovativediesel.com get your custom tune SCT chip, 3 stages, ram air set up, guages, and cool dual exhaust, just pm me and Ill be glad to help you out where I get my AE, good luck with it. Jeff

BTW my truck turns a 13.72 in a quarter :cool: