Super Duty's in danger?
02-27-2007, 08:06 AM
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Super Duty's in danger?
Ford Motor Co. said Monday that a decision by key supplier Navistar International Corp. to stop supplying diesel engines will not disrupt production of F-Series Super Duty pickups "in the near term."
However, the automaker would not say how long it could keep its truck lines running if the vendor holds out. Ford began producing its crucial redesigned F-Series Super Duty pickups in Louisville, Ky., late last year and the trucks are arriving in showrooms this month.
Navistar announced Monday that it has halted production of the PowerStroke diesel engine it makes for Ford because of an ongoing contract dispute. The Warrenville, Ill.-based engine manufacturer is the exclusive diesel engine supplier for Ford's heavy duty pickup trucks.
In a statement Monday, Navistar said it "pays its suppliers and employees under contract terms and that it expects Ford to honor the terms of its agreement."
This from the Detroit News this morning. I will tell you I have seen Ford do some real stupid things but they better come to the pump on this.
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However, the automaker would not say how long it could keep its truck lines running if the vendor holds out. Ford began producing its crucial redesigned F-Series Super Duty pickups in Louisville, Ky., late last year and the trucks are arriving in showrooms this month.
Navistar announced Monday that it has halted production of the PowerStroke diesel engine it makes for Ford because of an ongoing contract dispute. The Warrenville, Ill.-based engine manufacturer is the exclusive diesel engine supplier for Ford's heavy duty pickup trucks.
In a statement Monday, Navistar said it "pays its suppliers and employees under contract terms and that it expects Ford to honor the terms of its agreement."
This from the Detroit News this morning. I will tell you I have seen Ford do some real stupid things but they better come to the pump on this.
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02-27-2007, 08:28 AM
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Navistar is not in the best financial shape- they're borrowing money to keep their heads above water and they've had stock issues with late reports and earnings restatements.
All the stuff you've heard about the 6.0 engine's troubles, either real or magnified, are a result of Navistar not being able to deliver on their contract and make these problems go away. Ford finally sued them to get it straightened out.
The diesel Superduty is a bread and butter unit for Ford. It's the standard vehicle in fleets everywhere. They own a huge segment of the marketplace and they're not going to give that up. Navistar still is under contract to deliver and they're playing chicken with Ford. I'd expect Ford to have an injunction by week's end to have Navistar back in production.
Long-term? Maybe a Cummins? How about a little CAT?
All the stuff you've heard about the 6.0 engine's troubles, either real or magnified, are a result of Navistar not being able to deliver on their contract and make these problems go away. Ford finally sued them to get it straightened out.
The diesel Superduty is a bread and butter unit for Ford. It's the standard vehicle in fleets everywhere. They own a huge segment of the marketplace and they're not going to give that up. Navistar still is under contract to deliver and they're playing chicken with Ford. I'd expect Ford to have an injunction by week's end to have Navistar back in production.
Long-term? Maybe a Cummins? How about a little CAT?
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Navistar is not in the best financial shape- they're borrowing money to keep their heads above water and they've had stock issues with late reports and earnings restatements.
All the stuff you've heard about the 6.0 engine's troubles, either real or magnified, are a result of Navistar not being able to deliver on their contract and make these problems go away. Ford finally sued them to get it straightened out.
The diesel Superduty is a bread and butter unit for Ford. It's the standard vehicle in fleets everywhere. They own a huge segment of the marketplace and they're not going to give that up. Navistar still is under contract to deliver and they're playing chicken with Ford. I'd expect Ford to have an injunction by week's end to have Navistar back in production.
Long-term? Maybe a Cummins? How about a little CAT?
All the stuff you've heard about the 6.0 engine's troubles, either real or magnified, are a result of Navistar not being able to deliver on their contract and make these problems go away. Ford finally sued them to get it straightened out.
The diesel Superduty is a bread and butter unit for Ford. It's the standard vehicle in fleets everywhere. They own a huge segment of the marketplace and they're not going to give that up. Navistar still is under contract to deliver and they're playing chicken with Ford. I'd expect Ford to have an injunction by week's end to have Navistar back in production.
Long-term? Maybe a Cummins? How about a little CAT?
I don't think there would be many willing to pay the price that a Cat engined Ford pickup would cost.
02-27-2007, 07:22 PM
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Considering the new 6.4L Navistar engine alone adds $7,000 to the price of a new Super Duty, I'm curious to guess what a mass-produced CAT engine would cost if they would be producing it for Ford. Isn't the 300 HP CAT upgrade for F-650's around $20,000?
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Navistar is not in the best financial shape- they're borrowing money to keep their heads above water and they've had stock issues with late reports and earnings restatements.
All the stuff you've heard about the 6.0 engine's troubles, either real or magnified, are a result of Navistar not being able to deliver on their contract and make these problems go away. Ford finally sued them to get it straightened out.
The diesel Superduty is a bread and butter unit for Ford. It's the standard vehicle in fleets everywhere. They own a huge segment of the marketplace and they're not going to give that up. Navistar still is under contract to deliver and they're playing chicken with Ford. I'd expect Ford to have an injunction by week's end to have Navistar back in production.
Long-term? Maybe a Cummins? How about a little CAT?
All the stuff you've heard about the 6.0 engine's troubles, either real or magnified, are a result of Navistar not being able to deliver on their contract and make these problems go away. Ford finally sued them to get it straightened out.
The diesel Superduty is a bread and butter unit for Ford. It's the standard vehicle in fleets everywhere. They own a huge segment of the marketplace and they're not going to give that up. Navistar still is under contract to deliver and they're playing chicken with Ford. I'd expect Ford to have an injunction by week's end to have Navistar back in production.
Long-term? Maybe a Cummins? How about a little CAT?
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02-28-2007, 06:45 AM
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Caterpillar may have their hands full next year supplying Toyota with a diesel engine for the new Tundra. Talks are underway right now.
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02-28-2007, 07:00 AM
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The actual average between my 07 and 08 option for option was 5100. difference. Jeff
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The only place I can find any reference to that is on the dieselstop forum. Seems that Cat would be smart enough to not get into the mass produced low margin market.
Sure would be a coup for Toyota if they could swing it, but there is no reason they couldn't build their own diesel, they certainly have the resources and already sell diesels in most of the world
