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99fever27 10-31-2007 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by excalibur32 (Post 2323184)
My American Flag is flown EVERYDAY is yours, well yes, in the fact that I alway's drive AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!! My truck was built by American crackheads and I'm damn proud!!!!!!!

Just what are you trying to say?

Chris Sunkin 10-31-2007 06:07 PM

When Hell freezes over.

Buy American. F- the Japanese auto industry.

freshwaterfiend 10-31-2007 08:00 PM

I'd suggest you worry more about NOT buying stuff Made In China than a Japanese truck designed and built by Americans.

Bet you can't go for a single day not buying something at least partly made in China. Try it, I did. Pisses me off way worse than a Japanese built in America truck employing Americans.

Stop shopping at Walmart for a start!

Chris Sunkin 10-31-2007 08:09 PM

I'm Mr. Buy American. It's tough if not impossible- and sometimes very expensive.

I don't shop at WalMart.

As far as jap cars go- it's not tough to find U.S. made substitutes there. As far as built by Americans, the profit still goes to Japan.

freshwaterfiend 10-31-2007 09:31 PM

Actually, the profits go to the shareholders - and a lot of Americans own Toyota stock.

excalibur32 11-01-2007 07:17 AM

I knew Chris couldn't resist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bowtie 11-01-2007 08:44 AM

Lets face it, when GM or Ford build a car as dependable as a Toyota Americans will buy it. Americans for the most part are not stupid, they won't buy a lesser quality product just because it has an American nametag, which doesn't even mean it's made here.

Magic Medicine 11-01-2007 09:34 AM

I own a Ford and a Toyota. I drive a F350 and the wife drives a FJ Cruiser, my father in law also owes a used car lot. I think the main thing that is killing the american auto industry is the unions. Vehicals, trucks espeically have gotten rediculously expensive. When you buy new you lose your ass period as soon as you drive off the lot, no matter foreign or domestic. Which leaves must people upside down unless you put a significant amount down, I could talk for days about this one. The bottom line is the auto manufactures are pricing themselves out of the reach for the common man. I mean common on, who wants to chunk down 900 a month for 5 years on a brand new diesel heavy heavy duty pickup.

Joe92GT 11-01-2007 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by bowtie (Post 2324165)
Lets face it, when GM or Ford build a car as dependable as a Toyota Americans will buy it. Americans for the most part are not stupid, they won't buy a lesser quality product just because it has an American nametag, which doesn't even mean it's made here.

America does build a dependable car. Americans are just blinded, and look the other way, often times overlooking faults with the Japanese cars just because they think they are still far superior.

Here is an article on toyota recalls.

Obviously I'm not saying ford/dodge/Chevy are perfect, but I wouldn't put Toyota in a different class.

Now, here is where I get upset. Their marketing campaign is a lot of lies. Sure, they do have a model that tows 10k lbs. But, it is 44k!!! For a 1/2 ton pickup! My friend bought his 06 Chevy diesel 3/4 ton for less than that. Plus, if you start to do math, that tow rating is at the pretty optimal side of the numbers. All of the other toyota's capacities were in the 7500 lb range. (I was at a show, with the one toyota hauling a skid steer, with window stickers and weight ratings in all of them.) BTW, the one hauling the skid steer had a 14k lb rated trailer.. thought that was illegal, given the 10k rating, no matter how little is loaded on the trailer.

So, given the price point of these trucks, their towing/cargo capacities, and lack of a diesel I just don't understand how they sell so much.

The Chevy silverado 1500 was reviewed as a better all around truck than the f-150 and tundra by a few different magazines, not that it means a lot.

SinkorSwim 11-01-2007 09:48 AM

It is definatley a good looking vehicle..


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