bgchuby01

Good luck in what you are doing., Just remember that you will be spending alot more money for the 650 and still getting a one ton interior as far as space goes. Most of the 650's that I have ridden in ride pretty stiff even with air suspension. The 4 door petes go down the road as smooth as a town car. Also check that most ford stores do not have a service department that can work on the driveline. good luck

Chris Sunkin

You're going to be hard-pressed to beat Cat serviceability. There are 24/7 Cat distributors/service centers everywhere across the country, plus every truck dealer out there can work on them.

If you have a problem on the road, nothing is going to get back running faster than the Cat. Their parts prices are STEEP though.

bgchuby01

yes my current truck is a cat and when I have a problem there are cat stores everywhere. But Cat is very proud of the color yellow and the prices reflect that

BZ

I heard that they have already had 16 recalls on the new 08 stuff??? from what I have heard they are having a hard time with the emmisions??? anybody else hear that???

clearcut3

I can't speak to the recalls but seriuously doubt 16 have occurred in '08.

I can say that your source on the emmissions is incorrect at this time. All the Cat on highway are Tier 3 compliant and most off highway. Now Tier 4 is coming up in the not to distant future and all diesel engine manufacturers are struggling with Tier 4. Many manufacturers are still buying credits for Tier 3 compliance.

Most engine manufacturers used EGR to meet Tier 3 which is an inefficient bandaid and will create total redesign for tier 4. Cat developed ACERT for Tier 3 which is leaps and bounds above other manufacturers.

BZ

so what you are saying is that someone is trying to sell me the Cummings because they have them in stock?? LOL

bgchuby01

even though I am a cat person in the larger truck engines, for the medium duty segment for now I would go with cummins

BZ

why?

Downtown42

When 25 yr veteran Cat tech's say they would not buy one currently, I'll listen.

bgchuby01

If you are going to use it for personal use only the cat would be ok. If you are going to use the truck for commercial use go with the cummins. Cat is having lots of problems with the emissions and the new smog devices cause lots of heat. On the big trucks, some of them have caught fire due to the high heat (1700 degrees) for the exuaust temp