I think alot has to do with the dealer some around here have been known to put them on. I run them all the time once you get a feel for it it sucks to drive them stock.

Dealer has nothing to do with it. It's the manufacturer. And the last time I looked, someone else doing something wrong is no excuse for you to do the same. I hope you're not passing this sort of thinking along to kids...

Dealers are pretty much out of the loop on toasted engine claims. Nothing gets covered without a factory tech rep looking at it. And, in light of many millions in claims on damaged engines, they've gotten really good at it.

Lastly, I own 6 different Ford 6.0 trucks. Two personal vehicles and 4 shop trucks. All of them are absolutely stock. With a maximum towing load on them, I've never once felt the need to have more power. I've towed my boats at interstate speeds through the Appalachian mountains and never once had the pedal down on the floor. In fact, on the really looong hills, I felt myself backing out a bit- over concern for the transmission. On level ground I'm sure I could go way faster than would be even remotely safe.

So why do you need a tuner?

When your empty/unladen and want to blow someones doors off! :ernaehrung004:

I had one on my 04 duramax and surprised a few people.. even an m3..
Never had any warranty issues though.

Warranty law is written such that the manufacturer cannot deny a warranty claim unless the issue is caused by the addition of the aftermarket part. The burden of proof is on them. You may have to sue them to get to that point, but ultimately the burden of proof is on them. If they can then show conclusively that the programmer caused whatever failure occurred, they can legally deny the warranty claim, not void the warranty.

Most dealership service personnel, and upper management will probably say screw you and you'll have to fight for some time, but in the end you may win.

Amen. I see this lack of personal accountability all the time and I wonder where the hell our values have gone in the last few decades. Everyone pays for this type of behavior in the end through increased prices for services and goods.

Just remember, If you use a programmer or any type of power adder. You are on your own when it comes to a factory warranty. Superchips Flashpaq does have a 2 year powertrain warranty with it. Is it worth it? No! I have been without my truck for 6 months now and like I said before, I didn't have any power adder. The manufactures are just grouping everyone together now and fighting any engine claims. It's not up to the stealership anymore. Yes, they do have to prove it caused the failure and it will take up alot of time and you will be without your truck but when you spend 50-60K for a truck, it's not worth it!
The new trucks DO show in the computer that they have been altered. I know for a fact that the GM trucks do. Good luck!

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the edge i have on my 6.0 psd never showed a footprint when it was at the dealer for updates and reflash

The burden of proof???? The customer will have to prove that the "enhancement " did no damage. This takes time and money. You are correct in regards to the Magnuson
Moss Act. The only problem is any "enhancement" that increases the factory level of performance can be seen as a direct cause of failure. Sure, a power window motor is not going to fall under this rule, but you can sure bet that any drivetrain related part will.


Sam

Just b/c they werent looking for one doesnt mean its not there. I would be cautious if you are counting on the warranty for anything above and beyond the little stuff that most people experience.......these vehicles operate under very strick tolerances and anything above and beyond those are usually logged.