2010 Dodge 2500 Diesel or 2011 Ford
 

Anyone have any insight on the newer Dodge diesels? I am in the market for a new truck. I am in between the new Ford 6.7 and the Dodge Mega Cab. I hate to buy the Ford and be a test rat again like I was on the 6.0.

Any pro or cons?

I am a ford guy all the way... And i want to start by saying that i know nothing about the dodge...

Having said that, the 6.7 seems to be well engineered. the truck will re-generate 1/17 of the time a 6.4 does. i would also assume the same spec for a cummins running the older dpf system. the truck uses a different type of exhaust system that sprays DEF (deisel exhaust fluid) into the exhaust stream reducing NoX emissions. since there is the use of that system the particulate filters in the exhaust do not fill with particulate matter as quick. the MPG of the truck seems to be wayyyy better.

the only con i can see is having to now fill your truck with exhaust fluid at each oil change.

Just bought a 2011 Ford. Very much improved. Just go look at one and drive it. I am very happy with it.

I have the 6.0 now but it just seems like it is about to start costing me alot of money. Have an injector going bad right now. Got a quote of $3200 to replace all of them and not sure it is worth putting the money into.

nothing but the best ...... FORD:drink::drink:

If you're happy with the truck itself, drop a common-rail 5.9L Cummins in it. That would be the cheapest option. In a diesel magazine, a company that was having troubles with the 6.0 in its F550 did just that. They took it to Beans Diesel Performance in Tennessee and had them do the swap. And the money you save will buy 300-400hp for the Cummins. :)

The new 2011 Ford F250 diesel retails between $50-$55k, over $60k if you get the dually.

I have an 2011 Ford Diesel and it rocks. Replaced my 2006.Got 10.3 MPG on a 600 mile tow pulling around 10,500 worth of boat and trailer at 65-75. Tons of pulling power, ultra quiet! I got the F-35-0 SRW and it is a little stiff when not loaded. Other than that, it is awesome. Gets aount 18 MPG combined road and city driving.

I have a friend that had 2007 Dodge 2500. He was at the dealer for some service and drove a 2010 just for kicks. Took it home that day. Said that the truck was just amazing.

Yeah, i think anything would be better than a 2007 cummins. i have driven a couple and i dont know why people buy them. the 6.0 would drag the frame out from under one of them. it was weird to see such an underpowered truck. my uncle has an olde 5.9 cummins and i have driven it too. dont get it but some people love them.

If I ever get up your way we'll do a pull off and see whose frame gets dragged off. In fact I'll give you the first yank. You'll blow that POS 6.0 before you move me an inch back. They don't call them PowerJOKES for nothing, and I'm talking about what the owners themselves call them.

this thread just took an ugly turn...

Hey, you gotta dish it out and take it :ernaehrung004:. seems like we are both very opinionated people. but i will challenge you any day

I meant what a lot of 6.0 owners call their motors, not the owners themselves lol. I'll go back and change it...

Catmando, What truck are you driving?

I know my 6.0 was the best truck ever when Ford was paying the bill.

You better have a LOT more power than stock is all I can say. If you had a Duramax I would be worried, but a stock 6.0? Nah.

What I understand is the 2006-2008 6.0s were better than the 03-05 ones, but they still had serious flaws, which led Ford to force Navistar to build the 6.4. All Isuzu has had to do is make small changes to the Duramax through the years as has Cummins, going from the 12 valve to the 24 valve to the Common Rail to the 6.7.

I drive a stock 2006 Ram quad cab dually G56 manual. If Fixxxer beats me I'll buy the drinks. :drink:

now, i said something to a gentleman on these boards.... i drove a duramax today pulling my friends 388 slingshot. I was delightfully impressed. pulls almost like a 6.0 LOLOLOL (Catmando). Anyways im just pullin punches. i like you guys! this is fun! and catmando i drink bud select !:evilb:

You Might want to wait a month or two and check out the new 2011 Duramax when it comes out. They are now 400HP and tow 20k. I have a 05 Duramax that I bought new and never had a problem with it. Jeff Wurl

Finally someone mentions the right truck.:drink:

However, I think Ford's new motor will be a big improvement over the last one, but the first year sure would make me nervous to buy if I planned to keep it past the warranty!

inline vs. V-8
 

My wifes family owns a diesel garage, working on both 8-lug's and big rigs. A couple of years ago I decided to buy my first diesel and wisely asked their advice on which maker to go with. They said that they see the most problems with the Duramax followed by the Power Stroke with the Dodge Cummins having the least problems. Their opinion is that the V-8 configuration just doesn't compare to the inline 6 , as a matter of fact the older big rigs used to run V-8 diesels but years ago they all went to the inline 6. So if the V-8's were any good wouldn't big rig's be running them? Just thought that you might be interested in the opinion of a diesel garage that seems them on a daily basis. Also if you read many 8-lug magazines you'll see that a lot of people competing in truck pulls are replacing their Power Stroke with a Cummins.

+1

I do notice the duramax inventory is damn near non-existent on dealer lots currently......

I would buy the new Dodge Ram! The Mega cab is amazing, the Cummins is a REAL DIESEL. Inline is more reliable, and more low end torque, thats why almost ALL Semi's (which keep american running) only use inline designs for thier diesel engines. I have owned 2 03 Rams, 1 08, and will buy a 2010 soon. My current 03 has 356,000 miles all original 99% towing a 3/4 car trailer it entire life! You will love the Dodge and the Cummins. I love the Factoy exhaust brake on the 6.7 Cummins also! ENJOY!

i have the megacab with the 6.7. it has 29000 miles in less than a year and has yet to go to the shop for anything. the low end tq is impressive. i drive fords at work and i am not impressed at all with the quality. seem to have lots of quirks. all my friends that have the fords have been having problems ( turbos and block issues ). i had a chevy before i got the dodge. the chevy seats are better but the dodge seems to pull much better from off the line and has been very reliable. they all have their ups and downs. for reliability i would go with the dodge. for comfort, chevy. not sure about the new ford yet. it could be ok. i am just not too sure about it. bad taste from previous experiance i guess.

I drove the 2010 Laramie dually with the 68RFE last month. Great truck! I love the Laramie's amenities. I have an 06 dually with the G56 so I would go that route if I bought the 2010.

The inline 6 puts peak torque to the ground at much lower rpms than a V8 diesel does. that's why it moves out better under load. Combine that with the G56 manual and 3.73 gears(as I have)and you have serious grunt from the getgo that the V8s just can't match except maybe one with the 4.88 but then the fuel mileage suffers greatly.

The Dodge is interesting with the inline 6 and I love the MegaCab idea but the Made in MEXICO sticker on the door prevents me from signing on the dotted line........:eek:

Yes but the Cummins is built in Indiana. The Ford truck is built in Dearborn(I think), but the new 6.7 Scorpion is built in Mexico so whatchagonna do?? If that's your criteria buy the Chevy. The truck and engine are built here.

On a side note, I was shocked when I looked on the door sticker of my truck for the curb weight(7450lbs)and saw it was built in Mexico. I did not know that when I bought it. But even if I had known that beforehand I still would have bought it. I had owned an 03 before this one so I knew the Cummins was the key to best towing performance and reliability.

I do wish Dodge would bring production back to America, and I can't imagine that Mexico has better craftsmen than we do.That goes for the Ford engine too. We need those jobs here.

i have to agree it would be nice to buy a truck made in america. that being said, i also want the best quality for my hard earned cash. the fords i drive that were made in america have had horrible build quality. that is what kept me away from buying one for personal use. some of the things that are wrong should have never gotten past quality control. my mexican dodge however seems to have a better build quality. i have had no problems with this thing so far. i find that sad and confusing. it just should not be that way. it drives me nuts sometimes. i would love to see the megacab made in america.

The Mexico thing would bother me but then again the Camaro made in Canada would aggravate me as well. The "heartbeat of America's hotrod" is made in Canada?

I have an 03 Duramax I bought new and it has been great for 157K miles. I buy 1500's for my employees and there are a few assembled in Silag, Mexico. I wouldn't buy the truck if it was made in Mexico. The dealer was frustrated with me but did find trucks made in Texas for me to buy. Anything Duramax powered is still made in Flint, MI so that hasn't been an issue yet.

I have bought many foreign cars, primarily German and have never owned a Japanese one, not a political thing just don't like the "generic" feel of them.

As for Mexico, all of the pool pump motors you can buy today are assembled there. Years ago a lot of stuff came out of the midwest, Wisconsin also comes to mind. You used to get 7-10 years easily out of a motor, now you can't get 5-6. It is good and bad, good as in the motors have gotten cheaper but bad they don't last as long. BTW they all have American companies names on them, A.O. Smith, GE Marathon etc......

Custom application stuff can occasionally be still made in America but it is very odd to see that sticker anymore. Give me the option and I will buy it even if it costs a few bucks more!

The Camaro was designed by Holden, (Last GTO current G8).

It's not just production that has been outsourced. Have to pay the CEO's someway.:bsflag:

I can't wait until we start outsourcing their jobs.:drink:

What year is it? Have you looked into putting a longbed on it? What's your hand-calculated hwy mileage?

The Camaro was designed globally, It's on a "Holden" platform, the zeta, but has a ton of design done in the US as well.

I'm with you on not outsourcing, but Canadian production isn't exactly selling us out to low cost labor, so it's a little different. Also, their gov't stepped up to the plate to keep manufacturing in their country as well. Not too mention their are a ton of cars sold in Canada and producing there helps. It is much better than Mexico, but I'd still prefer pretty much everything be built here.

been driving a 11 F250 this weekend with 3.55 gears.. 20.2 at 74-75mph...very pleased

I have a 2010 2500 with the auto and 4:10 gears. I only pull a 232 Baja with it but I am very pleased with the truck. I drove all the 2010 models when I bought it in Jan and hands down it was the best option. Tuning is now available for the Ram by H&S so power can be had easily. No urea injection for the Dodge as with the other brands, which is one reason I went with it on top of the ride and overall feel of the truck. The EGR and DPF can be deleted if you wish which will give you back some MPG's and keep soot out of the engine. I honestly think the Cummins is a better choice for reliability. Everyone always says if you could put a Cummins in a King Ranch Ford that would be a killer truck. Well Dodge did a great job with the new interior, so it's hard to argue that now.

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I have a 2009 dodge 2500 6.7 Quad cab 8 ft manual 6 spd. I bought new in Dec. 09. The truck has been flawless so far . 6500 miles and I have only seen it go into regen mode once.

It's trade-in time again. My 06 f350 diesel dually has let me down too many times. I would consider the new Ford, but the local dealership is no better. Chevy or Dodge? They all cost too much, but I need the diesel power. I'm leaning towards Chevy, completely American,duramax,comfort,reliability. Hopefully better dealer support after spending the 50,000.:party-smiley-004:

it is a 2007 model bought new in 2009. havent checked on the longbed yet. that sounds like it might be interesting. the mileage has been in the twenties out on the highway. around town i am seeing about 16 to 17 but i have a very heavy foot when comming from a stop. i dont speed much i just like getting to the speed limit quickly :party-smiley-004: i am very happy with it so far.

That' pretty good, loaded or unloaded?

Just to poke fun at myself. here is my baby when i was putting the head gaskets on it! and i can have a cab off of a crew cab in 1.5 hours. my record was a regular cab with vinyl floors and was filthy and all scratched up... so i didnt have to be to careful... 57 minutes cab in the air.. and i had the cab off of th truck next to it at that time as well. think i was doing a 6.4 shortblock on that one

Silver looks nice! Actually almost ANY color looks great on the new Rams. I don't like brown vehicles but the Ram brown metalflake is gorgeous.

As to the H&S tuner it can't be run with the DPF and EGR on the truck. Legally it's for offroad use only(race trucks). Use it on the highway at your peril because if you are caught the fine will be in the thousands.