Nissan skyline.
 

I just took a 2010 nissan skyline in trade and I have to tell you it's on the short list of the baddest cars I've ever driven. Some of the technology in this car blows my mind Anyone looking for a hot sports car should consider one of these animals.

I would have to agree. Exported a few to Germany

They are cool - Nissan has always done some trick stuff (My 1990 Twin Turbo Z had adjustable suspension and 4 wheel steering - pretty neat stuff for 2 decades ago).

My only problem with the Skylines is the stigma - You would be hard pressed to go a mile without some kid pulling up beside you with some PepBoys accessories and his hat on sideways revving his engine at you. Unfortunately not the good kind of attention.

+1........

I haven't seen too many on the street here, either they don't catch my eye or they aren't around in great numbers. The performance numbers are great but the car is ugly to look at (same goes for the hot rod Lexus one too!).

wtf is a nissan skyline?????

Quick and easy description.........

100kcar that will make you regret owning 200k car. Except at the country club.

My easiest description.

I have to agree with that. But...... This car is not about looks or nostalgia. It's about pulling up next to a ferrari, and blowing it's doors off. No joke. I have have driven some Fun cars. Rides like crap, handles like it's on rails, and literally will make your passenger crap their pants in any gear. holy sh*t on this car. Don't get me started on the launch mode.

Skylines are awesome. Incredible bang for the buck even at ~$90K.

Older generation R32 and R33 are like cigs, just get better with age.

He means the Nissan GT-R

http://www.gtrnissan.com/en/web_GTR/homepage/index.html

But its still a Nissan my kid had my old Nissan Titan got rid of it two weeks ago.It was the biggest peice of junk I even owned,and I had an Opel GT once so thats saying a lot.Got him a 2011 GMC Terrain.

Personally I think its pretty damn boring to drive, and my old neighbor has one with a Cobb tune and other stuff. The car is just so numb and blah feeling. It's comfy, but it did nothing for me, there's just no soul or excitement to me when driving. It's quick and smooth, but its missing that raw brutal character I love, ala Viper, it just doesn't have the character/connected feeling driving a car like that or a GT3.

It's a good car, just not for me.

Also, kinda ridiculous that it has maintenance cost and part cost that are more than some exotics costing over twice as much. Too much to worry about with any mods too with Nissan giving warranty fits for issues even if your only mod was exhaust/intake and no tune. I mean they have the balls to charge over 100+ a quart for tranny fluid and anything else used will void the warrenty... funny how other cars with d/c trannies don't seem to have that issue. And if you have to replace the transmission, your looking at around 20g's.

Ugly JAP CRAP !!!!!!!! Just another example of american money going overseas to line some jap"s pocket at our expense !!! The bottom line is that some time in the future your son or gradson will probably be out of work with no job prospect except possibly working for them .... and you will have no one to blame but yourself for convincing your family or kids that it was O.K. to purchase all this foreign crap instead of buying american made products.... Of course its probably too late to change things now!!!!! Very little left to buy that is american made....Sorry guys dont take my rant personal......


G.M., FORD ,Chrysler
All the way, may not
be the best, but the
Money and profit stays
Here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Jim

Chyrsler is now an Italian owned company. :eek:

Yep, because those three companies have been models of profitability.....

Do a little research, Skyline is very limited production and your rant would be better guided at Prius owners that seem to multiply like fleas!
EVERY Dodge diesel truck is made in Mexico, Chrysler is foreign owned.
Many "American" cars are made in Mexico/Canada so your patriotism may be misplaced when you open the drivers door and see the "Made in _____" sticker on the door.
BTW ALL Mercedes/BWM SUVs are made in America......AL/SC built.

I think American cars are fine, trucks are best offered but many cars (and boats) have simply become overpriced. 50K for a base Corvette, 60K for an Escalade......no wonder these sell for 20% less in 6 months or less.

My 2007 dodge diesel truck was made in St. Louis

I was talking about new ones........that plant in St Louis closed I believe. You would be surprised at the cars made in Mexico....some GM 1500's (Silag, Mexico), all Jettas/Beetles (Puebla), 2500/3500 diesel Dodges, Honda CRV.....

yup

Exactly. I got tired of the junk that the big 3 have put out and now only buy Toyota/Lexus. If someone wants me to buy big 3 again, I've got stacks of repair receipts they can reimburse me for from when I owned them before.

I've made ALOT of money at that plant :drink:

They closed the van plant we revamped but i think the truck plant still has a day shift. Don't hold me to it though.

The Japanese are clamoring to build plants in America and the Big 3 are clamoring to build them in Mexico/Canada.

While ultimately profits are directed to Japan, look at how much of the labor and payroll and taxes stay right here in the USA.

Also - you can call it ugly JAP crap all you want but look at the innovation the Japanese use while the American's spent the entire time cramming the same old **** down our throats.

The early to mid-90's are a great example:

Japanese Firms:

1990 - 1996 Nissan Z's - Twin Turbo Charged, 4-wheel steering, adjustable suspension
1993 - 1995 Mazda RX-7 - Twin Turbo Charged lightweight rocket
1993 - ??? - Toyota Supra - Ground Pounding Twin Turbo In-Line 6
1991 - 1996 Mitsubishi 3000GT - 4 Wheel Drive Twin Turbo cannon.

All 4 of the above have a cult following with TONS of these cars runnign around DAILY DRIVEN with reliable 500, 600, 700 800 HP engines and still revered for their styling.

Meanwhile what were the big 3 producing? The 5.0 Mustang and the C4 Corvette? While arguably "neat" cars (I would own a 5.0 mustang) these were hardly innovative.

Fast forward a decade - the big 3 still have their heads up there asses and people everywhere are buying hybrids yet the US mfgs don't have anything in that department?

ALSO - the "profits" land primarily with the large stockhodlers which are always huge investment groups and may or may not be keep their primary domicile in the US. Most likely if they have done any tax planning it is NOT in the US.

3 out 4 of our cars are American - but that is just coincidence - not because I am killing myself to buy from the big 3, and after the big bailout, I would be hard pressed to buy anything other than FORD - at least they stood on their own feet.

So it's cool for foreign companies to build here, pay Americans less (than American competitors, hooray for the race to the bottom), and ship the profits home and keep the high paid value add jobs there!

You're right, that's way better than an engineered in the US car built in Mexico shipping the profits here.

Then let's get into the supply base, and where they're from, who their employees, are, and where their profits go!

Seeing as labor costs are under 10% of the cost of a car, you're really helping the country out by buying a foreign car built in the US! Pull your heads out of the sand. This crap gets old to those of us in the industry who understand how it works.

If you like a foreign car better, buy it, that's how competition works. Don't rationalize your purchase with bull**** about how it's "better" for the country! Luckily the current crop of REAL domestics are far better than the unimaginative junk from Toyota/Honda right now.

The entire Chrysler plant in St. Louis is now rubbles. They have been tearing it down for the past 3-4 months. Sad, especially since the city of Fenton and the County of St. Louis gave them a ton of money to retool less than 2 years prior to closing the doors.

4 Jap cars you listed were the best inexpensive sportscars offered in the mid-90's albeit all mass produced. The Mustang/Corvette/Camaro were all decade old designs by the time this new wave of cool stuff arrived from Japan.

We also had the ZR1 and Viper in the mix but were low production vehicles at the time.

Currently the big three have a lot of neat stuff (Mustang/Camaro/Corvette/Challenger) but all the Jap manufacturers have super high end (Skyline) or low HP junk like the 350Z(shares engine with a Maxima!). Toyota/Honda/Mitsubishi are all out of the 2 seat sportscar market. The 4 door rice rockets (Subaru WRX, Evo) are all fast but ridiculous looking.

These companies are so global at this point that it really is a moot point where their corporate headquarters are or if their name sounds Japanese, Korean, or American. Global investors can reap profits from any of these global companies via global markets. Japanese and Koreans have design and engineering centers here in MI, and the Big 3 have done plenty of outsourcing to their overseas centers, so salaried folks and managers are also worldwide (execs too). Profits from these companies are distributed to employees worldwide.

My God the Asians have to sit back and laugh at us.

Could you imagine Koreans or Japanese online arguing about how it's better to buy a Ford or Chevy there instead of a domestic! Oh wait, we don't have to worry about that as they have basically closed off the market..... It's no surprise why the rest of the world is losing respect for the US, we can't even respect ourselves.

Buy what you think is the best car, but cut out this BS about international companies or mfg'd here as some great asset to the US compared to actual American cars. Correct everyone has operations all over the world. The greatest amount of work, jobs and profit is centered at the HQ and that won't change.

I work for GM, and I do work for every region of the world. Do you think my Japanese equivalent is sitting in MI? How about Hyundai's? They are not in the US, just like the thousands of other decent paying salaried work that puts way more money back into the economy than the couple of plants they build here.

People all think it's great when auto jobs are outsourced, or any job that's not theirs. I guess they think they're irreplaceable. Newsflash, you're not and your job can be next if this country places no value on supporting it's own and maintaining our standard of living.

Yeah and a Local 4 union guy needs his $40 an hour job with lifetime medical and pension benefits to produce sh!tboxes like the Dodge Caravan, Chevy Impala and other gems! :D

I agree with you until a point.....................:evilb:

Reguardless of who is getting the title of ownership, I must say bringing manufacturing back into the United States by any company US owned or foreign, is Huge for our economy, When we outsourced the working man in this country, to where ever the labor was the cheapest, we began to lose a little bit of our country, economy and families. Get as many manufacturing plants back here on US soil from who ever will build here, thats the only real way I see us getting our economy back.

Another thread off track:lolhit: I am in dealerships all day long different brands I have customers in most brands.I will tell you that the Asian stuff is having huge problems right now was at a Hyundai dealership today and they were replacing entire front subframes on a recall....are you kidding me.Lexus is having engine issues Toyota is not much better,I am not talking about the stuff built in the 80's I am talking about current models.GM and Ford are in my opinion better than ever and are better quality than the Asian imports.In my driveway /Garage

11 GMC Terrain
09 GMC Yukon Denali
08 GMC 3500 SLT
02 Vette

I do have a jap tractor (Kubota) though

jap
 

What about
1985-87 Buick GN and GNX
1989 turbo trans am
GMC syclone and typhoon
Taurs SHO
corvette zr1
mustang SVO
the shelby turbo cars from dodge

If it´s about blowing the doors of another next to you I´d take a [ProStreeted] Muscle car anyday with those 15" fat tires that rips the front wheels of the ground when the light turns green...
Actually todays 10.5" Drag Radials fits most Muscle Car stock wheelwells and those tires can hook to 7 second timeslips at the 1320...
So would you still ride a Nissan???

So was my 61 Corvette.
My 70 SS396 El Camino in Kansas
And the 65 GranSport Skylark in Flint.

Well a Buick GN uses the same front shocks as a 55 Chevy ...
The underpinnings are almost idenctical on my 65 GranSport...
The GMC pickups.well not much new there either.
The ZR-1... Engine made by Mercury Marine designed by Lotus, gearbox from Germany etc etc..
Others not much new there either the SVO´s used European Ford Engines as a base, like the Pinto.
The Dodges Shelbys although quite promising a boring platform and no worldbeater in any department.
Carrol had his hands tied there... sadly.

Eventhen like today the racetracks (not strips) were ruled by Europeans but there is some fine exceptions..like Nürburgring records for civilian cars.
And FYI the old Nissan L-6 that was in a 240Z-> Skylines and everything in between is almost a direct copy of a early 60´s Mercedes L-6.
So even today much of Japs stuff are copied form Europe.
Nowadays it´s mostly designs.

Most of this list is straight line performance, the ZR-1 would be the exception. Run a single lap at any track in the country and the rest of that list would need to take a break (over-heated brakes and drivers that need a few beers to recover!)

Exactly, agree 100%. My point on my last post is that for the automotive industry in particular, suppliers and OE's and shareholders are go global, that the impact of buying one of the Big 3 is not the same as it was 20+ years ago. 20 years ago (or maybe even more), when you bought American, most suppliers were local, most shareholders were local, and most plants were local. When you bought foreign, all the money and trickle down effect went overseas. Not so nowadays.

Manufacturing needs to return for us to regain our footing, and not only mfg for domestic consumption, but mfg for export. We will regain prosperity by profiting from global development.

Wrong....catch the HBO documentary on the closing of a GM plant. 3rd and 4th generation autoworkers are being laid off with no jobs within 100 miles. The town had a 3 million sq ft plant shut down, real estate collapses (so even if you could move you can't sell/rent your house), local bars/restaurants close and the suppliers close as well (whether direct or indirect).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50qSV_F-nAE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm8g0...eature=related
The aftermath
I don't believe in buying American anything if it is a bad product but if a Honda is made in Ohio by Americans who then spend their paychecks locally it would be hard to argue buying an American brand made in Mexico is a better alternative!

I always find it interesting when people say that buying a vehicle from a non-American company is bad because the profits got back to that company overseas. The American company I work for makes most of its profits overseas and ships them back here - but that's apparently OK. Hmmm.

Except the assembly labor is 10% of the cost to make a car. So if the parts are of similar origin (and the window sticker is worthless in determining actual added value due to the many tiers, and foreign companies with a local "assembly" plant as suppliers) the value of the domestic salaried employees back into the US economy is far greater than the hourly's contributions from the transplant.

If you read the various studies, they all conclude that American cars, even the small percent built out of the US, contribute a higher "jobs multiplier" here than a transplant car. Point is, don't use the fact it's built here to rationalize the purchase of a foreign make. Just say you bought the better car if that's what you think.

As to the GTR, a super fast ride, but extremely expensive to maintain and just plain unattractive to me. I'd take a Z06/ZR1, 911, or modded Cayman over it every single day. Hell, a lightly worked CTS-V will run with one on a straight.

buy american, the job you save might be your own. Anybody remember that saying. Too bad people really don't believe it. If you think buying a foreign car made here benifits us more than buying an american made car you are just plain wrong.

How many American car mfgs have factories in Japan or any other Asian country besides China? At the end of the day, ricer profits here go back to Asia.

how did this great topic get so sidetracked?

+1....the new Lexus LFA (or whatever it is called) is 375K and they are only building 500 for the world. Car is just as ugly as the Skyline. For 375K you could have a GTR, GT3, ZR1 AND a Z06 to drive daily!