No CDL needed for anything under 26001 pounds.

Ford figured that. All the F650's I have seen have 26000# GVWR in the door so we're all set on those also.

Easy....when they buy spectator tickets to watch the other two teams play! :D

Very cool OLD School!!

The key is passenger plates. If its non commercial than there are exemptions for weight, brakes etc. Your registered weight has to be the combined weight of truck, trailer and load. Overweight tickets can be big money if not properly registered.
Im registered at 35,000lbs

Nice ride Craig!

Nice ! I like the short wheelbase, whats that model called ?

Very nice, Craig. Congrats!

Congrats Craig, look's great, see you on the water soon:ernaehrung004:

Nice rig!

awesome! we need a pic of the boat behind it to get a size comparison!

Very nice, you got the whole package now.
Congrats and have fun this summer.

Way cool!

Very nice, congrats!!

You must have a CDL to operate:
• Any single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight
rating (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more.
• A combination vehicle with a gross combination
weight rating of 26,001 or more pounds, if
the trailer(s) has a GVWR of 10,001 or more
pounds.


Non-Commercial Driver License Class Codes

Driver License Class
You May Drive:
You May Tow:
Exceptions:
A
Any non-commercial vehicle
Any non-commercial trailer
Commercial Motor Vehicles Motorcycles

B
Any single or combination of non-commercial motor vehicles
Any non-commercial trailer
Commercial Motor Vehicles Motorcycles Combination of Class F (tractor) and Class G (trailer)

C
Any non-commercial combination of motor vehicles with a GVW less than 26,001 pounds
Any non-commercial
Commercial Motor Vehicles Motorcycles


You, to be legal, would need a Class A non commerical or a Class A CDL if it is reg as a commerical rig.
Most of the time you will never get stopped, You will also have to have a dot medical card.

If you travel alot, don't take the chance. It is still unclear about having to stop at the scales. I have not gotten an answer from MD DOT. I don't think they really know either.

Can it be registered as an RV?

Only if it has cooking, head, shower and sleeping capabilities.

Sounds like a bucket and a little butane stove and it's all set. Probably better to shower first...:lolhit:

Congrats!

Craig, just curious if you have any plans to change the exhaust?
I've heard that towing with stacks in the rain makes a mess out of the boat.

Already been taken care of. It seems that the first owner of this truck thought that the stacks were cool. The second owner towed horses and disconnected the stacks so the horses weren't high on fumes and diesel soot when they arrived where they were going. :D The third owner will leave it like it is. ;)

Nice! Maybe switchable exhaust? :D

WRONG

Where did you find this information? Even at the federal level, the exemption lies within the RV registration.

An RV is defined as a motorized wheeled vehicle used for camping or other "recreational activities"

You dont have to have a stove to perform recreational activities. If you're hauling a bulldozer and 2x4's with concrete forms, thats not recreational activity. (up to the interpretation of the officer) But towing a boat is considered a recreational activity. Or a fourwheeler, rockcrawler, etc..

I run 7 FL m2's, the same chassis that is under the sport chassis. Ive spoken with and researched all the DOT laws from here to FL. California and a few others require an RV endorsement and airbrake on their license if you register the vehicle within the state. Other than that, you don't need a CDL. EVEN if you're over weight, over length, etc. You will, however, need permits for those states that require them.
If you can keep from getting a CDL, do it. The rules are so much stricter. Theres a zero tolerance for alcohol with a CDL in most states. If you have a glass of wine with your wife at dinner and get pulled over in the escalade on the way home and you have a CDL, You're screwed.

Ask me how i know that fact..

Great truck by the way!!!

Yank em off and slap em on the Vette, sidepipes sell!!


NFW!?!? :lolhit:

The truck and Mama look great....!

Even with an RV, you still have weight classes and restrictions to adhear to. In Maryland anyway. A CDL is only for commerical reg equipment. If you reg it in your name and not using it for hire, it is a private rig and no CDL required.
And true, with a CDL there is no room for mistakes, but some cops may let you off for some minor infractions, as they know it could be your job.

Either way Craig, do your checking and enjoy that nice rig!

Looks like three different opinions here. the below info is from the MD MVA website. There is no Class A non-Commercial catagory??

In your opinion, what do I need for the license and what do I need for the tag? The weight of the truck is 9800 and the GVW is 18,000.


License
Commercial License
CDL Renewal/Conversion (Includes CDLIS fee) $50.00
CDL Conversion (Out of State to MD CDL same class. Includes CDLIS fee) $65.00
CDL Duplicate $20.00
CDL Correction (w/o renewal) $20.00
CDL Skills Retest $20.00
CDL Learner’s Permit (Includes CDLIS & Skills Test fees) $90.00
CDL HAZMAT Background Check (BRC) $93.25

Non-Commercial License
Driver’s License Renewal $30.00
Driver’s License Duplicate $20.00
Driver's License Corrected (w/o renewal - under 21) $20.00
Driver's License Corrected (w/ renewal - over 21) $30.00
Driver’s License (new resident) $45.00
Learner’s Permit – Non CDL Type I (No previous license. Includes conversion fee) $50.00
Learner’s Permit – Non CDL Type II (Previous license) $30.00
Learner’s Permit Corrected $20.00
Motorcycle License - New $45.00
Moped License – New $45.00
Moped License – Renewal $30.00
Moped License – Duplicate $20.00
Moped License – Corrected $20.00
Photo ID Card – New $15.00
Photo ID Card - Duplicate/Correction $20.00





Fees

In the classes identified below, vehicles will be registered for two (2) years at time of titling or at the time registration is renewed. The following fees include the yearly $13.50 surcharge for the EMS system, except where noted otherwise.
CLASS DESCRIPTION FEE EFFECTIVE JULY 1, 2004
A Passenger Cars
(shipping weight up to 3,700 lbs.) $128.00
A Passenger Cars
(shipping weight over 3,700 lbs.) $180.00
M Multi Purpose Vehicle
(Shipping weight up to 3,700 lbs.) $128.00
M Multi Purpose Vehicle
(shipping weight over 3,700 lbs.) $180.00
B Passenger Vehicle Operated for Hire $327.00
C Funeral Vehicles and Ambulances $227.00
D Motorcycles/Low Speed $97.00
L Historic Vehicles $51.00*
N Street Rod Vehicles $51.00*
Q Limousine $397.00


* Registration fee does not require a surcharge.

Please note: Chesapeake Bay and Agricultural Plates require an additional $10.00 per year renewal fee ($20.00 for 2-year renewal). The additional fee benefits the Chesapeake Bay Trust or the Maryland Agricultural Education Foundation.

Trucks
E Trucks (3/4 ton or 7,000 lbs. or less) $154.50
E Trucks (10,000 lbs. GVW [1/2 or 3/4 ton]) $207.00

Trailers
G Trailer 3,000 lbs. or less $51.00*
G Trailer 3,001 - 5,000 lbs. $102.00*
G Trailer 5,001 - 10,000 lbs. $160.00*
G Trailer 10,001 - 20,000 lbs. $248.00*
G Freight trailer or semi-trailer $76.50*
Farm trailers or Farm semi-trailers
GF Trailer 3,000 lbs. or less $25.50*
GF Trailer 3,001 – 5,000 lbs. $51.00*
GF Trailer 5,001 – 10,000 lbs. $80.00*
GF Trailer 10,001 – 20,000 lbs. $124.00*

*Registration fee does not require a surcharge.

Class E Truck,Class F Truck Tractor, Class EFT Farm Truck, Class FF Farm Tractor and Class EPD Dump Truck are renewed yearly (GVW or GCW in lbs. - Fee is shown per 1,000 lbs., an additional $13.50 surcharge per year for the EMS system will be added.)
E 10,000 - 18,000 lbs. $9.00
E 18,001 - 26,000 lbs. $11.75
E 26,001 - 40,000 lbs. $12.75
E 40,001 - 60,000 lbs. $14.75
E 60,001 - 80,000 lbs. $16.00
EFT minimum 10,000 - 40,000 lbs. $5.00
EFT 40,001 - 65,000 lbs. $5.25
EPD 40,000 - 70,000 lbs. $26.25
F minimum 40,000 - 60,000 lbs. $21.00
F minimum 60.001 - 80,000 lbs. $22.50
FF minimum 40,000 – 60,000 lbs. $5.25

Class T Tow Truck/Rollback are renewed yearly (GVW or GCW in lbs. – Fee is shown per 1,000 lbs. The following fees include the yearly $13.50 surcharge for the EMS system.)
T Tow Truck/rollback under 26,000 lbs. $198.50
T Tow Truck/rollback over 26,000 lbs. $563.50

Class H School Bus, Class J Van Pool, and Class P Passenger Bus are renewed yearly. The following fees include the yearly $13.50 surcharge for the EMS system.
H School Vehicle $64.50
H School Bus Charter $163.50
J Van Pool $90.00
P Passenger Bus, Charter, or For Hire
(seating capacity 20 or less) $288.50
P Passenger Bus, Charter, or For Hire
(seating capacity 21 – 35) $538.50
P Passenger Bus, Charter, or For Hire
(seating capacity 36 or more) $888.50

Class K Farm Area Vehicle is renewed yearly. There is no applicable surcharge.
K Farm Area Vehicle $2.50

Call me and I can help you out if you like, 410-573-9776

You need to be legal in your home state however DOT is federal.
Your home state could have more stringent rules but Im not aware of any "yet"
Non Commercial vehicles, privately registered for pleasure use are exempt from requiring a CDL.
The reason the interpretation is so conflicted and unclear is because your working under this exemption and the enforcement language is for "commercial". That said the only problem you can have is that you exceed your vehicles capacities or your registration.
Our F650as an example.
GVWR is 26000. In other words Ford says (DOT follows) that if the truck is put on a scale it can not weigh more than 26000 lbs period. Body/load/fuel/passengers whatever weight sits on top of those 4/6 tires
My F650 6 door Excursion scaled at 14000 empty. With fuel (300gal cap.)/ crew and luggage at most I figure 17,500 lbs which is no where near GVWC and also happens to be under our county rd 10ton limit.
The trailer/boat and full fuel weighs approx 17,500 lbs.
Truck + Trailer = 35000 lbs which is how Im registered.
Again commercial plates I need a CDL, passenger - not for hire - not for commerce, no CDL required.

After going around with my DOT compliance guy, the DOT, County sheriff DOT compliance officer and speaking with several people that run these mid-sized trucks this is how they want it done.

Oh yes..my registration on the truck went from around $100 the way DMV was going to do it, to $550 the way I told them they needed to do it for me to be legal.

Just get this one.......should be fine.

Moped License – New $45.00

LMAO!!! :D:drink::evilb:

Kinda scary I was going to make that exact same post :lolhit:

After a phone call to someone that works at mva,
you will need:
The truck:
Class E 10001-18000lbs @ $9.00 per 1000lbs = $162.00 reg fee
You: a class C license as long as you are not over a GCW of 26000 lbs. If you go over 26001lbs COMBINED WEIGHT that will be a Class A license.

All of this is NON COMMERCIAL!

For it to be an rv you will have to have a manufacture's cert of an rv.

Also you will have to have a Maryland State inspection on the truck. To be done at a Class C inspection station. (over 10,001 gvw)

Mopeds are like fat chix...

I respectfully disagree with part of this.
I think we are on the same page as the "Truck" registration in that it is the combined weight of the entire package (Truck and Trailer loaded)
I disagree with the CDL Class C A or any other type CDL required for a PERSONALLY REGISTERED vehicle. The rules of 49CFR simple dont apply as it references "Commercial Vehicles" which it is not.
I agree that it is not an RV at least as far as the insurance. Im not aware of details on the MV registration because I never researched that. When my insurance company couldnt figure out to insure it they did say as you stated it needed the bathroom sleeping area. The exemption of the NON COMMERCIAL vehicle is how these guys are driving around 60,000 lb converted buses with no CDL though.

This subject is worthy of its own thread because there is lots of opinion and interpretations here and its good practice if (when) someone is ticketed by the overzealous State Trooper that tries to cock block a good Poker Run weekend :drink:

49CFR383

TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION

CHAPTER III--FEDERAL MOTOR CARRIER SAFETY ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION

PART 383_COMMERCIAL DRIVER'S LICENSE STANDARDS; REQUIREMENTS AND PENALTIES--Table of Contents


Sec. 383.3 Applicability.

(a) The rules in this part apply to every person who operates a commercial motor vehicle (CMV) in interstate, foreign, or intrastate commerce, to all employers of such persons, and to all States.

If registered as a personal vehicle as stated here, not applicable

Sec. 383.5 Definitions.

Commercial motor vehicle (CMV) means a motor vehicle or combination of motor vehicles used in commerce to transport passengers or property if the motor vehicle--
(a) Has a gross combination weight rating of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds); or
(b) Has a gross vehicle weight rating of 11,794 or more kilograms (26,001 pounds or more);

Again if for personal use not used in "commerce" the commercial code does not apply.

Really? I wouldn't know. :drink::drink:

I read it in a book review.

Rememeber my signature from a few years ago?:drink:

:D

Didn't it say:

"I gave a fat chick a ride on my moped and now it's broke" ?

:grinser010::grinser010::lolhit:

Nope, it was this (see below) :D:drink::evilb::evilb:

BobbyB, the most interesting man in the world! :D