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Very good points of view so far, I guess we now have to debate what "made in USA" really means in the global economy, it should mean as always, no % here or there. Things have changed dramatically. Here are a bit more updated figures. Original article was dated 2006, these new ones are more current, early 2011.
http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story....ory=amMade0611 http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...n_is_Your_Car/ http://abcnews.go.com/Business/ameri...5#.TuZTlfKwUgo http://www.vehix.com/articles/top-10...trucks--suvs/9 http://www.dodgeofwinterhaven.net/bl...an-content.htm Cat, I like the website link, this should help all consumers going in the right direction. thank you. |
Originally Posted by 97FASTech
(Post 3570162)
Very good points of view so far, I guess we now have to debate what "made in USA" really means in the global economy, it should mean as always, no % here or there. Things have changed dramatically. Here are a bit more updated figures. Original article was dated 2006, these new ones are more current, early 2011.
http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story....ory=amMade0611 http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...n_is_Your_Car/ http://abcnews.go.com/Business/ameri...5#.TuZTlfKwUgo http://www.vehix.com/articles/top-10...trucks--suvs/9 http://www.dodgeofwinterhaven.net/bl...an-content.htm Cat, I like the website link, this should help all consumers going in the right direction. thank you. |
Originally Posted by soldier4402
(Post 3570069)
you couldnt have been more wrong
US-Assembled Cars Percent US/Canada content Name Corporate Profits Ford Econoline 95% USA USA Lincoln LS (production ended April 2006) 90% USA USA Ford Escape 90% USA USA Mercury Mariner 90% USA USA Ford Ranger 90% USA USA Cadillac DTS 90% USA USA Chevrolet Silverado, GMC Sierra 90% USA USA Mazda Tribute (Ford) 90% JAPAN JAPAN Mazda B-Series (Ford) 90% JAPAN JAPAN Lincoln Town Car 85% USA USA Mercury Mountaineer 85% USA USA Ford F-Series 85% USA USA Chevrolet Colorado, GMC Canyon, 85% USA USA Buick Rainer, GMC Envoy, Chevrolet TrailBlazer 85% USA USA Isuzu Ascender (GM) 85% JAPAN JAPAN Dodge Viper 85% USA GERMANY Isuzu i-Series (GM) 85% JAPAN JAPAN Toyota Sienna 85% JAPAN JAPAN Dodge Grand Caravan – SWB 83% USA GERMANY Chrysler Town & Country – SWB 82% USA GERMANY Chrysler Sebring convertible 82% USA GERMANY Jeep Wrangler 82% USA GERMANY Ford Five Hundred 80% USA USA Ford Expedition 80% USA USA Ford Explorer 80% USA USA Ford Freestyle 80% USA USA Lincoln Mark LT 80% USA USA Cadillac CTS 80% USA USA Pontiac Solstice 80% USA USA Chevrolet Corvette, Cadillac XLR 80% USA USA Chevrolet Malibu, Pontiac G6 80% USA USA Cadillac SRX 80% USA USA Dodge Caravan – SWB 80% USA GERMANY Toyota Camry 80% JAPAN JAPAN Toyota Tundra 80% JAPAN JAPAN Dodge Durango 79% USA GERMANY Dodge Stratus 78% USA GERMANY Mitsubishi Raider (Dodge) 78% JAPAN JAPAN Dodge Dakota 77% USA GERMANY Chrysler Sebring 77% USA GERMANY Jeep Commander 76% USA GERMANY Mercury Montego 75% USA USA Chevrolet Uplander, Pontiac Montana SV6, Saturn Relay 75% USA USA Chevrolet Cobalt 75% USA USA Honda Ridgeline 75% JAPAN JAPAN Honda Pilot 75% JAPAN JAPAN Toyota Avalon 75% JAPAN JAPAN Toyota Corolla 75% JAPAN JAPAN Despite massive cuts, GM and Ford employ more people than Toyota and Honda, and still make more cars here, on US soil. The most American car is still a Ford, followed by a Chevy, and the profit still stays here at home. Honda Odyssey has to be close to 90%+ made in USA, most of that in Alabama. They even have an engine block foundry. Toyota Tundra is 80% US mfg parts the country of design is Japan and that is only 5% less than an F150 - the most popular truck ever... For what its worth the Chevrolet Corvette is only 77% made in USA - This is the saddest statistic there is!! This conversation could go on forever if you bring in the unions. The domestic northern manufacturing plants can touch what BMW, Honda and Toyota do for their employees. |
Originally Posted by Keith Atlanta
(Post 3570230)
Where did you get this? Most of this is a little off.
Honda Odyssey has to be close to 90%+ made in USA, most of that in Alabama. They even have an engine block foundry. Toyota Tundra is 80% US mfg parts the country of design is Japan and that is only 5% less than an F150 - the most popular truck ever... For what its worth the Chevrolet Corvette is only 77% made in USA - This is the saddest statistic there is!! This conversation could go on forever if you bring in the unions. The domestic northern manufacturing plants can touch what BMW, Honda and Toyota do for their employees. On a related note, I called a local morning radio show DJ a couple of months ago. He, like some of you, was proudly proclaiming that he drove an “American” truck instead of some “crummy piece of crap foreign truck.” Somebody before me had called him and took him to task on the fact that even on a Ford, Chevy or Dodge, there were foreign parts in them. “I took all of them out” he said. So I called him up and said, “I’m just getting into my tow truck. Where’s your truck and where do you want me to tow it to?” As you might guess, he had no idea what I was talking about. It was then that I informed him about where the various parts in his truck came from. The biggest, most mission critical thing was every single electronic circuit and chip in the truck. All come from overseas. Lots of stammering and laughs followed. Let’s face it folks, it’s a global economy and competition is good for the breed. (The quality of my 2010 Ford is light years ahead of previous Ford trucks because of that competition.) Even the most die hard “buy American” folks have loads of foreign made goods in their homes. And if they say they don’t, they haven’t looked closely enough. In fact if it wasn’t for foreign made goods, many people couldn’t even afford to buy certain products that they need to survive. Do I like that fact? Hell no, but our high taxes, wages, environmental regulations, etc. have simply driven the work offshore. So guess who started the global economy? That would be us. |
[QUOTE=Keith Atlanta;3570230]Where did you get this? Most of this is a little off.
Post #20 has more current numbers, and explanation. Or just google" Where was (insert make and model here) made?" |
Originally Posted by soldier4402
(Post 3570054)
But being totally honest I do not see the quality in a Jap cars. Compare a corola or camry to malibu once, even compare a lexus to a Buick, no comparison the GM cars are better hands down.
Oh, and if you don't believe that (admittedly) non-scientific comment, you might want to check something like JD Power rankings. |
Originally Posted by Too Stroked
(Post 3570266)
My son is a Technician at a Lexus dealership. He gets to work on Lexus vehicles as well as any other brand that comes through the used car dealership. He's simply amazed at the differences in what goes wrong with which brands. Based on the literally hundereds of vehicles he's worked on, he said that although the American stuff is getting much better, Lexus has them hands down. (And I'd agree based on what's in my garage.) Maybe you need to drive one for a bit to get your eyes opened - as I did.
Oh, and if you don't believe that (admittedly) non-scientific comment, you might want to check something like JD Power rankings. |
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Originally Posted by Keith Atlanta
(Post 3570230)
Where did you get this? Most of this is a little off.
Post #20 has more current numbers, and explanation. Or just google" Where was (insert make and model here) made?" where i got info dont know date of information on it. But it was a good article explaining pros and cons. Im all for competition it keeps American quality on toes, to frank American quality sucked up until about 8-10 years ago. But again that 1992 Lumina I had as a kid was hands down better than a corolla. Biggest thing is who sells more trucks that would be a better indicator of quality |
Originally Posted by Keith Atlanta
(Post 3570230)
Where did you get this? Most of this is a little off.
Honda Odyssey has to be close to 90%+ made in USA, most of that in Alabama. They even have an engine block foundry. Toyota Tundra is 80% US mfg parts the country of design is Japan and that is only 5% less than an F150 - the most popular truck ever... For what its worth the Chevrolet Corvette is only 77% made in USA - This is the saddest statistic there is!! This conversation could go on forever if you bring in the unions. The domestic northern manufacturing plants can touch what BMW, Honda and Toyota do for their employees. God help us when China decides it wants to get into the market. |
Buy American is a loaded statement. I think it applies more to consumer goods at the Walmart level. You also have to bring in other factors such as price. If you are standing at home depot looking at something generic you have to draw a line somewhere. If you are going to buy a box of Chinese nails for $2.99 or American nails for $4.49 - sorry but I have to go with Chinese. If its a few cents more, I would go with American. Anybody that tells you we cant compete with China (in most general manufacturing) is full of $hit. We can make good products just as cost effectively as any other country.
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