Towing with a esclade ext
02-29-2012, 07:08 PM
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People like to always think bigger truck means better stopping but that is not always true. On a bigger trucks you have bigger brakes but you are also stopping a bigger vehicle. I am not an engineer but I would guess the stopping power per pound or however you want to gauage is pretty similar,
braking should be done with your load not the truck. If you had bad brakes and rubber your wrong from the start. The trailer should stop you not the other way around.
braking should be done with your load not the truck. If you had bad brakes and rubber your wrong from the start. The trailer should stop you not the other way around.
Let's take some numbers.
A 2012 EXT has a curb weight of 5982 and is rated for 7600 lbs of towing. A Sierra 2500 Danali with V8 gas power and 4.10 ratio rated for 13000 lbs ball hitch towing, weighs 6601 lbs. Not a big diff. in vehicle weight. The brakes on those two vehicles are not the same at all. Much bigger brakes and stonger chassis on the GMC. Even the 3500 Diesel DRW Denali weighs "only" 8000 lbs and is rated for 17000 lbs ball hitch towing. The difference of the trucks weight and the difference of what they are build to tow are miles apart. Basically, trucks are build for heavy pulling, the SUVs are build with some light towing capabillity.
We do agree that the brakes on the trailer should be up to the task, absolutely. But remember, if you run surge brakes on a setup like this, the trailer will push the tow vehicle.
02-29-2012, 07:14 PM
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People like to always think bigger truck means better stopping but that is not always true. On a bigger trucks you have bigger brakes but you are also stopping a bigger vehicle. I am not an engineer but I would guess the stopping power per pound or however you want to gauage is pretty similar,
braking should be done with your load not the truck. If you had bad brakes and rubber your wrong from the start. The trailer should stop you not the other way around.
braking should be done with your load not the truck. If you had bad brakes and rubber your wrong from the start. The trailer should stop you not the other way around.
02-29-2012, 07:21 PM
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I tow my 30' Velocity with an '07 Denali AWD, and that's all I would ever wanna pull with that truck. I'm sure loaded, it's in the 9000+ range, and the Velocities are fairly light compared to other similar boats. It's pushing it to say the least. However, I'm also in Florida, and do not have to fight up and down hills.
Like others have said, it's not necessarily a lack of horsepower, but everything else around the truck.
Good luck.
Like others have said, it's not necessarily a lack of horsepower, but everything else around the truck.
Good luck.
02-29-2012, 07:57 PM
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03-01-2012, 06:53 AM
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Not trying to turn this into a huge argument, there has been way too many of those on this subject already. But I'll have to disagree on the first part of your post.
Let's take some numbers.
A 2012 EXT has a curb weight of 5982 and is rated for 7600 lbs of towing. A Sierra 2500 Danali with V8 gas power and 4.10 ratio rated for 13000 lbs ball hitch towing, weighs 6601 lbs. Not a big diff. in vehicle weight. The brakes on those two vehicles are not the same at all. Much bigger brakes and stonger chassis on the GMC. Even the 3500 Diesel DRW Denali weighs "only" 8000 lbs and is rated for 17000 lbs ball hitch towing. The difference of the trucks weight and the difference of what they are build to tow are miles apart. Basically, trucks are build for heavy pulling, the SUVs are build with some light towing capabillity.
We do agree that the brakes on the trailer should be up to the task, absolutely. But remember, if you run surge brakes on a setup like this, the trailer will push the tow vehicle.
Let's take some numbers.
A 2012 EXT has a curb weight of 5982 and is rated for 7600 lbs of towing. A Sierra 2500 Danali with V8 gas power and 4.10 ratio rated for 13000 lbs ball hitch towing, weighs 6601 lbs. Not a big diff. in vehicle weight. The brakes on those two vehicles are not the same at all. Much bigger brakes and stonger chassis on the GMC. Even the 3500 Diesel DRW Denali weighs "only" 8000 lbs and is rated for 17000 lbs ball hitch towing. The difference of the trucks weight and the difference of what they are build to tow are miles apart. Basically, trucks are build for heavy pulling, the SUVs are build with some light towing capabillity.
We do agree that the brakes on the trailer should be up to the task, absolutely. But remember, if you run surge brakes on a setup like this, the trailer will push the tow vehicle.
03-01-2012, 06:59 AM
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Now days a lot of the half tons have discs all the way around and are pretty good. I had an 07 and 08 F250 and now an 11 F150. Without a load the F150 stops way better hands down. I found the F250 brakes to be soft and unresponsive. Both trucks had stock tires and had 14k miles and 30 on the other and brakes were fine. Towing mid range loads like 3-5k. They were about the same, towing the boat of mine I would say they both are still kind of the same but you dont feel it as much on the F250.
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A had a AWD Escalade EXT. Took it to Virginia to pick up my new to me 27' Advantage. Picked the boat up from a small place called Smith Mtn Lake. If I remember correctly, it was about 30 miles off the interstate. By the time I got back on the interstate the rear brakes on the escalade were metal to metal and the fronts were smoking. I pulled this boat with it for about a year 100 miles each way to KY lake and never thought it did the job very well. I traded it off last fall for a 2500 Duramax, and can tell you that there is no comparison. The duramax is so much better than the caddy at towing that words do not do it justice. Not saying that you can't pull that big boat with your Caddy, just saying that if you have any regard for the safety of yourself and your family, I would not recommend it.
