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wrinkleface 07-20-2012 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 3735140)
Alright, well that does narrow it down a bit. Either that pump is not pumping effectively; or something between the pump and the calipers is jacked up. It might even be a kinked line.

My pump supplies enough pressure to immediately throw brake fluid 30 feet when there is an open in the system. I found that out on the trip up there to Boyne when I broke a brake line outside of Cleveland. I'd look to see how effective the pump is operating and pushing fluid down the line by opening the furthest brake bleeder and checking things out moving forward.

I appreciate your understanding but feel this is not 4 me 2 do, new trailer, truck that worked fine w/ 6 year old myco!!! this should b done under their X & $!!! I have paid 2 change out my controller, bought a new 1 they recommended, just bought $25 worth of wire 4 nothing 2 try the ground thing???????? granted they did not ask me 2 do that but I"m try'n what I can 2 get these brakes work'n right! last I talked 2 them they said it was my truck!!! myself & others I talk 2 don't think so again esp based on the previous trailer worked fine!!! I am not gunna pay somebody 2 start go'n over my truck w/ noth'n 2 go on!!!

Sydwayz 07-20-2012 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by wrinkleface (Post 3735154)
I appreciate your understanding but feel this is not 4 me 2 do, new trailer, truck that worked fine w/ 6 year old myco!!! this should b done under their X & $!!! I have paid 2 change out my controller, bought a new 1 they recommended, just bought $25 worth of wire 4 nothing 2 try the ground thing???????? granted they did not ask me 2 do that but I"m try'n what I can 2 get these brakes work'n right! last I talked 2 them they said it was my truck!!! myself & others I talk 2 don't think so again esp based on the previous trailer worked fine!!! I am not gunna pay somebody 2 start go'n over my truck w/ noth'n 2 go on!!!

I do not disagree with you. It does not appear to be the truck. My speculations above are all associated with the trailer. I added some clarity to my post above.

US1 Fountain 07-21-2012 10:31 AM

Sounds like a trailer issue, such as drum brakes that are not adj out right and the delay is do to the time required to extend the shoes out. But with this being a new trailer and I'm going to assume disc brakes, that doesn't apply here????

wrinkleface 07-21-2012 01:31 PM

I have an 08 450, just tried a Buds 2011 Ford 1 ton, same delay, fella that towed it up from NT had a 2010 Dodge w/ delay also!!! As far as I am concerned, this IS NOT A TRUCK ISSUE!!!!!!! Myco, step up!!!!

wrinkleface 07-21-2012 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by US1 Fountain (Post 3735605)
Sounds like a trailer issue, such as drum brakes that are not adj out right and the delay is do to the time required to extend the shoes out. But with this being a new trailer and I'm going to assume disc brakes, that doesn't apply here????

yes, 3 axles, 6 disc brakes, just like my 6 yo myco from previous boat!!!

97FASTech 07-21-2012 07:54 PM

I have an e-manual for Titan and was reading the installation instructions and came across this paragraph. Don't know if you have tried this yet, but it sounds just like the problem your having:

4.1 All models of the BrakeRite are 12 Volt DC with negative ground.
Improper connections and grounding can and will result in damage to
the systems. For both the BrakeRite EHB & BrakeRite II SD 12 gauge or
larger wire must be run from the towing vehicle battery to the BrakeRite
with either a 30 amp fuse or circuit breaker for protection. The control
leads for the BrakeRite EHB & BrakeRite II SD and all leads for the
BrakeRite II RF 16 gauge or larger wires must be used. If light wiring is
used for the power leads low voltages will result with slower response
times and generally poor performance of the brake system.


Hope this helps, electrical problems are the most frustrating to troubleshoot. I can email you the manual if needed.

bill63 07-24-2012 09:18 AM

To bad your still having problems tell myco to pick it up and call manning have them build you one. Pretty sure manning uses carslile braking system not break rite..

wrinkleface 07-24-2012 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by bill63 (Post 3737611)
To bad your still having problems tell myco to pick it up and call manning have them build you one. Pretty sure manning uses carslile braking system not break rite..

unfrik'nbelievable!!! :poopoo:

US1 Fountain 07-24-2012 10:51 AM

What type of brake lines, steel or plastic?

wrinkleface 07-24-2012 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by US1 Fountain (Post 3737679)
What type of brake lines, steel or plastic?

I believe steel! U would think myco would use the best????????

Downtown42 07-24-2012 11:52 AM

HA !! look what OSO Ad just popped up !!!! :evilb:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...ollerEOHad.gif



You need to Tweet Tweedie bird :whistle::whistle: although he is worthless IMO :angry-smiley-038:

http://www.mycotrailers.com/testimonials.htm

wrinkleface 07-24-2012 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by Downtown42 (Post 3737732)
HA !! look what OSO Ad just popped up !!!! :evilb:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...ollerEOHad.gif



You need to Tweet Tweedie bird :whistle::whistle: although he is worthless IMO :angry-smiley-038:

http://www.mycotrailers.com/testimonials.htm

bought the Prodigy controller from them on myco's recommendation that worked no better than my other 2!!!!:cartman:

Sydwayz 07-24-2012 01:03 PM

The problem is not in your controller.

wrinkleface 07-24-2012 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 3737793)
The problem is not in your controller.

after try'n 3 of'm, I believe U, plus 2 other trucks & their controllers!!!:eekdrop:

US1 Fountain 07-24-2012 01:06 PM

Is the pump for a triaxle trailer and not a tandem?

Have you tried hookiing it to another known working truck?


Ut Oh, better call Myco! ;)

US1 Fountain 07-24-2012 01:07 PM

whoopsie, same time posting

wrinkleface 07-24-2012 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by US1 Fountain (Post 3737796)
Is the pump for a triaxle trailer and not a tandem?

Have you tried hookiing it to another known working truck?


Ut Oh, better call Myco! ;)

Assume the pump is 4 "Disc" brakes cuz it should B 1500 psi, 1000 for drum, 2010 Dodge that towed it up from NT had delay issues, tried a Buds 2011 Ford SD this past Sat, same delay!! as stated B4, I have a 2008 Ford 450 that worked great w/ my 06 Myco!! WTF is wrong w/ this picture???? bad components from Titan comes 2 mind!! maybe they got a bad batch of pumps??????? what I know is the boat/trailer was delivered on Fri May 25 & the issue is still ongoing!! this is a brand new trailer, actually my 3rd new myco! U would think they would jump all over this & get it right!!! 2 months later here I am & I was hope'n 2 trailer somewhere 4 my honeymoon in a few weeks, not look'n good!!!:mad:

Sydwayz 07-24-2012 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by US1 Fountain (Post 3737796)
Is the pump for a triaxle trailer and not a tandem?

I had the same thought on the pump. Given the size of the boat, both in weight and length that the brake fluid must travel, I wonder if the pump isn't up to the task of pushing the brake fluid to 6 calipers that are that far away; in timely fashion to feel deceleration.

Might be worthwhile disconnecting the third axle's brakes and seeing if there is a difference.

Sydwayz 07-24-2012 01:32 PM

If you pick up the phone and call Myco, what happens?

wrinkleface 07-24-2012 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 3737816)
If you pick up the phone and call Myco, what happens?

last X I talked 2 them they basically washed their hands of it & said it was not their trailer problem, it was my truck & 2 deal w/ NT!! great servce, A!!!!!! 3X brand new customer!!!!

wrinkleface 07-24-2012 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by Sydwayz (Post 3737813)
I had the same thought on the pump. Given the size of the boat, both in weight and length that the brake fluid must travel, I wonder if the pump isn't up to the task of pushing the brake fluid to 6 calipers that are that far away; in timely fashion to feel deceleration.

Might be worthwhile disconnecting the third axle's brakes and seeing if there is a difference.

same size/length trailer that my 43 was on that worked fine!! bottom of the 477 is same as old 43!!!

wrinkleface 07-24-2012 02:05 PM

all I am look'n 4 is properly work'n brakes w/ a 1/2 to 1 second delay like my 06 myco, not 3-4 seconds! other than that boat pulls & loads great, just like my 06 did!! don't think that is unreasonable to look 4 from a supposed top shelf trailer maker!!! do U??????

sy goldberg 07-24-2012 02:22 PM

Possible solution !
 
simpson drag chute from JEGS !:lolhit:

wrinkleface 07-24-2012 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by sy goldberg (Post 3737870)
simpson drag chute from JEGS !:lolhit:

hey old man, just cuz your Depends work like that 4 U!!!!:evilb:

sy goldberg 07-24-2012 02:55 PM

A deal for you !
 
I'll lend you one if you'll pack it for your next attempt.:evilb:

billpor930 07-24-2012 03:04 PM

Delay
 
One thing I would suggest, and I apologize if this has been mentioned previously, is to make sure the hydraulic system has been properly bled and does not have air in it.

eddie 07-24-2012 03:21 PM

I'm having problems with a E/H system too. If I pull the break away when the trucks started they seem to work. I'm pulling with a 2008 GMC I just jack knifed the trailer going down a hill because the brakes didn't come on and I got into some gravel and shoved sideways. Just got the truck out of the body shop after a $4,100 bill. Our trailers now in a shop in STL so they can figure it out. It's also a newer Myco trailer. I'll let you know what they find out too.

Sydwayz 07-24-2012 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by eddie (Post 3737947)
I'm having problems with a E/H system too. If I pull the break away when the trucks started they seem to work. I'm pulling with a 2008 GMC I just jack knifed the trailer going down a hill because the brakes didn't come on and I got into some gravel and shoved sideways. Just got the truck out of the body shop after a $4,100 bill. Our trailers now in a shop in STL so they can figure it out. It's also a newer Myco trailer. I'll let you know what they find out too.

Good battery on trailer?

outriggers 07-24-2012 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by billpor930 (Post 3737927)
One thing I would suggest, and I apologize if this has been mentioned previously, is to make sure the hydraulic system has been properly bled and does not have air in it.

Wrink, I think if there were any air in the lines or a restriction there would be a delay time for the pump to build any pressure to the calipers. If there is no air in the lines or restriction and after several trucks and brake controllers, I think that leaves the pump. But I would make sure they are bleed real well before I went to the pump. P.S I'm not so sure steel lines are better, lined or stainless maybe, but I have had too many plain steel lines fail on me. Plastic doesn't rust from the inside out and seems to take some flexing. Just my opinion. Doug

wrinkleface 07-24-2012 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by billpor930 (Post 3737927)
One thing I would suggest, and I apologize if this has been mentioned previously, is to make sure the hydraulic system has been properly bled and does not have air in it.


Originally Posted by outriggers (Post 3738008)
Wrink, I think if there were any air in the lines or a restriction there would be a delay time for the pump to build any pressure to the calipers. If there is no air in the lines or restriction and after several trucks and brake controllers, I think that leaves the pump. But I would make sure they are bleed real well before I went to the pump. P.S I'm not so sure steel lines are better, lined or stainless maybe, but I have had too many plain steel lines fail on me. Plastic doesn't rust from the inside out and seems to take some flexing. Just my opinion. Doug

Actually when the trailer/boat was delivered on May 25, I called myco that day & told them there was a 6-7 second delay( I had been used to 1/2-1 second at most w/ my 06 myco I had for years), after a few days myco had a local trailer man bleed the system & I believe he may have even changed out some trailer components! We did go from the 6-7 sec delay to 3-4 seconds!! but my baseline is my 06 trailer/same truck, delay as stated above & that is what I expect for the safety of passengers, cars/people around me & value of my boat!!! personally I believe ALL components on the trailer should B removed, replaced, bleed & start from scratch & C what happens!!!!

08 fastech 292 07-24-2012 05:39 PM

I was about to write the same reply. I think you may have a bad pump and either MYCO or Brakerrite should stand good for it.

Dave

wrinkleface 07-24-2012 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by 08 fastech 292 (Post 3738084)
I was about to write the same reply. I think you may have a bad pump and either MYCO or Brakerrite should stand good for it.

Dave

Thank U!!

BBB725 07-24-2012 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by wrinkleface (Post 3738083)
Actually when the trailer/boat was delivered on May 25, I called myco that day & told them there was a 6-7 second delay( I had been used to 1/2-1 second at most w/ my 06 myco I had for years), after a few days myco had a local trailer man bleed the system & I believe he may have even changed out some trailer components! We did go from the 6-7 sec delay to 3-4 seconds!! but my baseline is my 06 trailer/same truck, delay as stated above & that is what I expect for the safety of passengers, cars/people around me & value of my boat!!! personally I believe ALL components on the trailer should B removed, replaced, bleed & start from scratch & C what happens!!!!

May 25th??

I think it's time Myco step up and fix the problem, you've been more than patient with them, 2 month!!

wrinkleface 07-24-2012 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by BBB725 (Post 3738274)
May 25th??

I think it's time Myco step up and fix the problem, you've been more than patient with them, 2 month!!

Damn, U can count!!!!! :daz:

bill63 07-25-2012 09:16 AM

Time for Judge Judy :party-smiley-004:

wrinkleface 07-25-2012 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by bill63 (Post 3738604)
Time for Judge Judy :party-smiley-004:

Uncle Guido:evilb:

drpete3 07-25-2012 10:54 AM

It really cant be that hard. There are just a few components in a trailer braking system. Come on Myco. WTH?

wrinkleface 07-31-2012 09:45 PM


Originally Posted by drpete3 (Post 3738683)
It really cant be that hard. There are just a few components in a trailer braking system. Come on Myco. WTH?

possibly a solution found!!!! details 2 follow!!!
& it ain't me!!!!:thankyouthankyou:

mike tkach 07-31-2012 10:38 PM

myco makes a very nice trailer,that being said you would think they would have sent someone out to you to diagnose the problem,i believe the problem is with the trailer,not your truck,but even if they found a problem with the truck,they would not get the bad press they are getting now,they have 2 know they are not the only game in town.just my thinking,hope it gets resolved soon so you&your bride can go boating anywhear u please.

97FASTech 08-07-2012 04:07 PM

You've been busy, but any solution to your delay on the EoH? Congrats by the way!!


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