Wish they were using a FORD!!!
 

Some US manufacturer should have stepped up.

But it was assembled in the U.S.! Just kidding, I agree with you. Hard to believe that one didn't

Yea someone really screwed up that one, :signs069:

Ford f150 and the Toyota tundra are nearly tied for how American they are, both assembly and parts made in America exceed 85 percent, far better than gm and dodge. It's a face and not just assembly.


Love my American tundra

that looks like it should have been an ecoboost job...

It may be assembled here but all the profits still go overseas.

The profits go to shareholders, and lots of Americans are shareholders in TM.

I really, really like the new Ford Fusion Hybrid, not very impressed with the larger engine. Look at where they make it.

Chris, does GM Ford share their profits with us? I haven't got a check.

Like said above, profits go to shareholders, like it or not, Toyo and Honda have american branches that are doing well for us HERE.



BMW, Mercedes, Toyo, Honda and Hyundia all have plants in the SE. New plants :D

I am all about american made, and I love this country. But the name plate on a car needs more research before you can call it american made. Heck, Dodge and GM have marketed "american made" with plants and parts factories in Mexico and Canada for years, because it is North Amercia....that doesn't help us.

The most US made car, parts, labor, assembly, US percentage of all.....is a Toyota Camry, the Ford F-150 is second

Here is a video for your viewing pleasure, the heatbeart of america

[youtube]Lvl5Gan69Wo[/youtube]

fixx
 

not all of gm vehicles are made in china..the chinese ones are but not the anerican trucks..Ford truck are not all what they use to be.you be the judge..[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKMQjm7i2Jw[/YOUTUBE]

Thanks Ron, thats disgusting. Moving engineering overseas wont be an improvement. But I will never own anything from a foriegn automaker.

I don't even know what a foriegn automaker is anymore :/

Growing up I remember my parents specifically shopping for amercian made appliances, cars, and electronics. Near impossible here today, imagine how easy it is for someone that lives in China!

"With a Chevy's independent front suspension, I'd rather take that one." Ha. That's Chevy's biggest downfall

I was looking at the GMC half tons awhile back, every single one of them started with a '3' in the vin.

It's amazing how few people know hat that means. The gm truck plant was in Canada for some time, I believe they moved it back to either indiana or tn. They still use a ton of Mexican and Canadian parts, which is why they rank low on the list. Also their top selling car, the impala, also made in Canada

some good points and I beleive we have talked about this before. Its not as simple as we all would like to think. Just because its an American company does not mean 100% of the vehicle is made in the US. Usually smaller components parts are outsourced and some bigger parts come from Canada or even Mexico. But the Japanese were brilliant in marketing and getting some or a lot of their vehicles made here as it has proved to be a huge PR victory along with making practical sense, but dont fool yourselfs thats not all apple pie either and not American as you think as I cant remember the figure but something like 80% of profits go back to japan but Toyota does dump billions into your economy each year. So one has to make the decison for themselves. personally I would rather see canada or Mexico get a paycheck then Japan or china.

You guys keep saying all of the profits "go back to japan" like the company is owned but the Japanese gov't or something? :lolhit:

So you are saying GM has vhicles made in Mexico and Canada then takes the profits and spend all the oney here on american made products? I call BS.

All the car companies are GLOBAL now, Honda and Toyota have headquaters here in america that operate as free standing corporations, just as GM, Ford and Chrysler do in other countries. We drive more cars than any country, its no longer about the brand name, but about quality and where it is made.

You guys that continue to suck the sack of these so called american car companies that keep putting out sub standard product that has know issues that seem to never get addressed are just crazy, I'll keep driving my toyota :D

My Avalanche was made in Mexico and my Subaru was made in the US and the quality of the Subaru is so much better then GM it's sad if they made a 2500 truck I wouldn't own anything but Subarus

fixx
 

this is interesting...you may want to get your frame checked aftger watching this video..[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJZVUnOduH4[/YOUTUBE]

fixx
 

and i wish BMW made a 2500 series suv,,love my 7 series..

Well I gotta say I don't see domestic vehicles substandard to imports. Toyota has had its share of issues, although they get much less press than the big 3 do. Lots of recalls in the last 2 years. And Toyota engines were only briefly used in boats. There is a reason they are almost all gm engines in marine applications. Subarus ride like a dump truck. You guys are right they are all global companies now, and while some individual models may exceed others, the playing field over all is getting pretty flat. It is all coming down to personal preferences.
I have driven and abused GM all my life, some to 300K, most over 100K. Everything else just shifts funny to me!

Chris,

I wouldn't expect you to drive anything but a gm :lolhit:

And they all have recalls, all of them. I am talking about was talking about the little stuff. I owned GM's for 20 years. How many manufactures can you get a window regulator for, in stock, at auto zone? What about the piles of wheel bearings? Brakes that last 30k miles? The ford list is just as long, don;t get me started

My last GM was a 58k denali, it was done at 80k miles, and i am nice to my stuff. The laundry list of faliures just screams sub standard engineering. My f350 $56k truck I also bought new, also made it to 80k, needed a new engine (warranty) and tons of other stuff not warranteid, not to mention the paint falling off.

I love the look of the new chevys , I was just fed up, And now that I own a toyota I get the "buy american" once in a while and it makes me laugh. I can no longer afford to buy from a company that has an american name,but if they come back....i'll be back.

Fixx
 

you must of had mid to late 90's Gm trucks,,i can honestly say yes but onlt on the front brakes tho,,i got over 400 k on my suburban and believe it or not i still have the oe rear brake shoes,,been through a dozen front rotors and pads(knock on wood) still have the oe front hub bearings..

Now the newer go trucks,01 and up im seeint 80 to 100 k on brake jobs on 2500 and 3500 series trucks,,50k on the 1500 series..the window regulators have gotten better on the 07's and up..nothing lasts forever...

you have to stop drinking the kool aid that toyota keeps feeding you. But if you read what I said I didnt say all profits went back and whether it goes to japans govt or not what does that make any difference. But yota does provide a big impact on our economy and better they build them here and sell them vs just sell them here. But 80% aprox does goes back to Japan in some shape or form, 20% stays here with investments in infastructure and shareholders such as Jp Morgan. The big three though combine to put in more than half a trillion into the economy where yota alone dumps around 20 billion into the economy, so whether GM makes chit cars or not you cant really argue with the economic impact of the big three is much greater.

And Im not saying Mexico and Canada rush over the border to buy from Home depot or Best buy, but the money is much more likely to circulate back here then it would from Japan, and I bet if researched Canada and Mexico buy a lot more American products then Japan does. We live about 20mins from Canada or two hours from the GM Oshawa plant and the bridge into the US is flooded with canadians every weekend to come spend money here.

Really though the trade issue is no longer with Japan and their vehicles are not the threat the true threat is China and we have to be careful. Japan was where China is now 20-30 years ago and Japan has made routes to manufacturing here and controlling trade, give China time and the possibilities are a lot more frightful then what Japan has accomplished.

Like go for broke said the and I would have to agree and almost makes me cringe to say this but most of the brands are on a pretty level playing field and really comes down to preference. Really unless you go super economy imports arent any cheaper and dont perform any better then domestics. For now my paycheck stays here.

Admittedly my 07 silverado was junk thing got 13mpg on a good day, leaked water and the whole dash and door panels rattled. Although I attribute this to a lemon, what irriatated me more than anything was GMs unwillingness to correct it, I asked them to replace it with a like used certified with comp miles, and nope. So that truck got turned in and have been with ford ever since. But my dad has an 08 and the thing gets 17mpg average with no issues.

Nope, 02 crew 2500hd loaded dmax I bought new, major issues, sold at 135k in 2005

2005 ford f350 Harley 6.0l purchased new, spent more time in the shop than any vehicle I have owned

2007 gmc Denali bought new, more garbage.

I've owned many vehicles along side of these, one thing I started noticing was the difference in quality when compared to my jap an euro vehicles.

Most of you that argue will never own anything but a ford or Chevy, so how can you truly have an unbiased opinion?

Personally I have never owened anything othe then GM, Ford, or Dodge. But I think many others have. And you cant act like yota is void of flaws, my boss has an 09 Tundara and the thing is junk and he cant wait to get rid of it, its in the shop every month and is waiting for the right deal to burn it.

But you are right a lot of people are probably basing their decision off of tradition or principle. Its the same thing with diesel owners refusing to beleive a half ton can tow more than 5k lbs. But like said either regardless of brand, I dont think overall price, quality, and performance is such a difference from brand to brand to say one is hand and foot better.

My last purchase was based 100% on performance, price, and quality. performance meant a lot to me combined with MPG. Last time around even if I would buy one the tundra didnt foot the bill but either did chevy or dodge.

Wow that Turdra took that like a girly truck! :D My biz partner bought a 2012 and kept it for 2 months.

Ron,

Your right, I am biased, i have never owned an import (other than bikes). But I drive EVERYTHING in my line of work. Used imports need all the same work as domestics to be reconditioned. I have also never been a communist, socialist, or liberal, but I am pretty sure I wouldn't change my opinion lol.

You tried them, weren't impressed, thats fine. I can't argue with that. One thing that amuses me about the "whos is best" threads, is that there is always someone that owns a fleet and has had the complete opposite experience as the other guy that owns a fleet. It really is personal opinion, and experience.

cya around the lake

Who knows, maybe this toyo falls apart in my hands and I am driving a Nissan in a few year singing a different tune :)

My f350 was my first and last ford, but I remember how much I loved that truck in the first two years, crazy being that I was a life long gm guy.

The thing that gets my blood boiling about the tundra is all the bigot jap comments, when in a reality it is not what it seems. Gets me going something fierce, even with family.

So far I am beyond impressed, but my eyes are still drawn to the new Chevy's looks, but looking truck on the market, too bad it has the smallest cab.

Definitely hope to see you out next year, at least my boat has gm power hahah

fixx
 

to be honest i have my hands in all of them and the least one i work on is dodge trucks..im digging the 3 cab sizes they offer now and they are really doing a nice job on the interiors now..like i said if bmw made a 1 ton suv i would be all over it..

Woooo!

7.3 Ford 381,000 miles going stronger then ever.... drives, looks, and feels new still... I think the quality is just fine....

not that a honda is something to write home about and if I went import and jap import at that, it would be a yota. But a guy down at camp had an older chevy and something went wrong with it, i sat there and listened to him and really he was pissed because chevy wouldnt cover a repair, but in reality it was something way beyond warranty and was just expecting something for free. None the less his brother bought a honda ridgeline, and he told me how great it was bla bla. So he dumped the chevy for the honda ridgeline. almost a year later his brother dumped the honda for a ram and 6 months later the guy i know was back into a chevy, lol. His brothers ridgeling was a pile broke about 4 times in a year. his truck operated fine, but he underestimated going from a full size truck down to a ridgeline.

I think you need to go drive a new one if your think your 381k truck still drives as new. Prpb the most over used term out there :lolhit:

And BTW, the 7.3l was a great engine that was basically problem free...imagine that.

Maybe I have bad luck, maybe I demand more? I take better care of my stuff than most. I just feel I was short changed on my last 4 purchases. Dodge, Chevy, Ford, GMC

In this day things have gotten less expensive but are also cheaper, and I accept that. However, when something gets more expensive and the quality goes DOWN I have a problem with it.

Understand that the CNY salt roads are harder on vehicles than anywhere in the country, however still......stupid little chit that screams cheap on expensive vehicles.

AMEN!! Had 3 of them over 200k great truck / engine combo. My 2008 6.4 does ride a little better but still basically the same truck. Just rolled 155k. love it!

I have more then a dozen friends with all years of Ford diesel, all with minimal issues, its more about knowing the trucks then anything... we are all our own mechanics and know the "issues" at hand with certain engines... so its easy to prevent the issues...

Sure it's easy to prevent the issues after the issues are known, how about buying a new one for 58k and having it chit out on you. This filtering of the antifreeze thing on the 6.0l was not common knowledges when I had mine, nor should I have had to modify a 2 year old truck with 25k miles on it. my truck needed $32k in engine only warranty work over 4.5 years I owned it. 82k miles, never missed a maintence item, in fact I over did it.

You keep re-engineering crap in your driveway to make it last, I need my vehicles for work

I agree but I also know many fleet vehicles that were 6.0 with no issues, honestly the 6.0 was hit or miss and pure luck, the biggest issue years being 03-04... the 05 up seemed to have much less issues..

overall the Ford fleet does very well and thats one reason the dominate the fleet market, all breands have issues, as much as I love Ford, there is a reason I have a 7.3 still....

Clevelands harsh too, soon as I see a sign of rust I find me another Texas truck and go for a plane ride... I dont like spending on new trucks and losing my azz so I buy perfect trucks from Texas ... HATE SALT!

The 6.0 was the biggest flop Ford/navistar/ international ever produces. Everyone knows that. I bought a new one in 06 lasted about 24k it took a $hit like they all did. Ford put a new engine in it no questions asked. If you have access to the internet its pretty easy to figure out the 6.0 was a disaster. I sold it ASAP & moved on. My 08 has been flawless!!! just rolled 155k I use the $hit out of my truck its strictly a work truck. Hauls a bobcat, chipper, stump cutter, whatever I hook to it it just does it!