Firestone or Airlift bags
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Your number may be correct for the commercial line. I have never installed any of their commercial products to be able to comment either way.
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I used the air lift kit on my 3500 dually. I put them on because I lowered my dually and removed some of the leaf pack so I wanted to offset the loss of weight capacity wi the air bag. It was an easy install (I had the bed off) and they work great. Really improved the ride quality!
The air compressor is also a nice option.
The air compressor is also a nice option.
My father has a 350 ford with an aluminum bed that rides like a buck wagon. You can barely talk on the phone when on anything less than a perfectly smooth road. He thought adding bags would help...I told him that if he didnt take any springs out he would not be doing any good...he didnt listen....
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IMHO, you can't remove a leaf spring and make up for it with air. If I were lowering a 1-ton (considered it); I would de-arch the rear springs and still go with air. I do like 502ss' setup though, and he is not trying to make the truck work as hard as it would if it were still factory.
In my experience, the bags inflated just enough to snug/firm/solidify the connection between the axle and the frame helps a lot. My F350 dually with bags rides better than my Dodge 2500 without bags, empty. I've put bags on 4 trucks now, (96 Tahoe, 97 Tahoe, 02 AV 2500, 00 F-350) and every one has been a wise investment. I used to really wring out my Avalanche 2500 on curvy roads and the bags (coupled with rear wheel spacers and wider footpring wheels/tires) really enabled that truck to handle well for as big as it was.
I keep about 30 lbs. in all of my bags when not towing, and somewhere between 50-80 lbs. when towing depending on loads.
KEY and IMPORTANT: If you are towing 5th wheel, Gooseneck, or Tag Along Hitch, you will be fine with a single schrader valve or connection between both bags. HOWEVER, if you are placing a significant load IN THE BED OF THE TRUCK; over the airbags; like a camper or heavy cargo, you REALLY NEED individual fill control/schrader valves for each rear airbag. Reason: the cargo load can shift the air from one side of the truck to the other if they are tired together with no air flow restriction/control. This will cause an unstable condition when you least expect it, like on a highway cloverleaf or turn; and you are likely to loose control.
In my experience, the bags inflated just enough to snug/firm/solidify the connection between the axle and the frame helps a lot. My F350 dually with bags rides better than my Dodge 2500 without bags, empty. I've put bags on 4 trucks now, (96 Tahoe, 97 Tahoe, 02 AV 2500, 00 F-350) and every one has been a wise investment. I used to really wring out my Avalanche 2500 on curvy roads and the bags (coupled with rear wheel spacers and wider footpring wheels/tires) really enabled that truck to handle well for as big as it was.
I keep about 30 lbs. in all of my bags when not towing, and somewhere between 50-80 lbs. when towing depending on loads.
KEY and IMPORTANT: If you are towing 5th wheel, Gooseneck, or Tag Along Hitch, you will be fine with a single schrader valve or connection between both bags. HOWEVER, if you are placing a significant load IN THE BED OF THE TRUCK; over the airbags; like a camper or heavy cargo, you REALLY NEED individual fill control/schrader valves for each rear airbag. Reason: the cargo load can shift the air from one side of the truck to the other if they are tired together with no air flow restriction/control. This will cause an unstable condition when you least expect it, like on a highway cloverleaf or turn; and you are likely to loose control.
Last edited by Sydwayz; 12-25-2012 at 11:42 AM.
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As a general rule inflated rubber will bounce more than springs. Some forget this when they install bags only and expect ride improvement. Because of the added bounce shocks should also be adequate for towing and the ride requirement.
I have the Firestones, in my dually, and love the more level ride and cornering stability. Empty the bounce got worse. So much worse that it felt like a semi tractor on all bags bucking against the cab. I installed the Rancho XL9000 series shocks that adjust by remote from the cab and I love these things. Just dial in the ride for empty and dial in the ride for loaded and keep a perfect ride all the time.
I have the Firestones, in my dually, and love the more level ride and cornering stability. Empty the bounce got worse. So much worse that it felt like a semi tractor on all bags bucking against the cab. I installed the Rancho XL9000 series shocks that adjust by remote from the cab and I love these things. Just dial in the ride for empty and dial in the ride for loaded and keep a perfect ride all the time.
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I use or should I say abuse that same Airlift system w/ digital controller. I used larger then recommended airbags but its been flawless!!!
This setup had to rely 100% on the bag & valves hiding up, thats why I chose Airlift.
This setup had to rely 100% on the bag & valves hiding up, thats why I chose Airlift.
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As a general rule inflated rubber will bounce more than springs. Some forget this when they install bags only and expect ride improvement. Because of the added bounce shocks should also be adequate for towing and the ride requirement.
I have the Firestones, in my dually, and love the more level ride and cornering stability. Empty the bounce got worse. So much worse that it felt like a semi tractor on all bags bucking against the cab. I installed the Rancho XL9000 series shocks that adjust by remote from the cab and I love these things. Just dial in the ride for empty and dial in the ride for loaded and keep a perfect ride all the time.
I have the Firestones, in my dually, and love the more level ride and cornering stability. Empty the bounce got worse. So much worse that it felt like a semi tractor on all bags bucking against the cab. I installed the Rancho XL9000 series shocks that adjust by remote from the cab and I love these things. Just dial in the ride for empty and dial in the ride for loaded and keep a perfect ride all the time.
Off topic even further, but don't forget about steering stabilizers. I added one to my low rider Tahoe, and installed doubles on my F350 and Dodge 2500.