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jason y 03-14-2013 07:05 PM

.. without knowing code its a hit or miss you can try the alternator.. we ran across the same thing on a older body style auto we rebuilt the trans in .. kept setting 2 different codes i cant remember what they where but i scanned it and drove it we even pulled a trailer with it.. they where false alternator was doing same thing to it..

RT930turbo 03-14-2013 07:08 PM

I would try it for sure! Not sure what code he saw, but even if it was an input shaft/output shaft mis-compare (indicating slip) this could all be caused by screwy speed sensor signals. If you or your tech have access to a scan tool that will allow you to read sensor data live pull up the following parameters:

RPM
TSS
OSS
VSS
Selected Gear

If you are getting interference, one or all of these values will be all over the place when the truck is sitting still and you change the rpm in Park or Neutral. When I unplugged the alternator, they immediately settled down and everything was normal. I have an old oscilloscope, and sure enough when I scoped the alternator, it was 100% the culprit.

It sounds crazy, but it sure beats a trans rebuild! (mine only had about 10k miles on it, so I was VERY relieved it was not a major issue.)

Good luck.

FIXX 03-14-2013 08:26 PM

fixx
 
[QUOTE=Rwbrew3;3885847]

Originally Posted by RT930turbo (Post 3885607)

Had the trans scanned this morning, deffinatley going out.. Not sure what he code was but my mechanic said it's Time to rebuild it! Did say I could dive it as is for a while!

$3300 to fix.....OUCH!!!

that is way too much to rebuild a trand,,2k tops....try this,,pull the VSS out of the top of the rear diff,clean it and put it back in,,they usually get covered with metal shaving's from the gears chaffing..this will also throw off the VSS and make it shift wierd..when the newer electronic ford trans start to go you will have to petal shift it and it will slam into the next gear..

northernoffshore 03-14-2013 09:17 PM


Originally Posted by 30ftpanther (Post 3885619)
My 96 f350 7.3 150,000 miles had an intermittent problem.it would quit running and you could restart it in one to ten minutes.It would run for one minute to six weeks. replaced cps nothing replaced icm (injector control module) hasn't quit running in two years. $1000.00 at ford found a new in box ford icm on ebay for $550.00. Good luck with your 7.3 .

New swamp diesel idm which supposed gives it 30 hp more. It goes in tomorrow with the inner fender off to access the wiring.

northernoffshore 03-14-2013 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by jason y (Post 3885854)
.. without knowing code its a hit or miss you can try the alternator.. we ran across the same thing on a older body style auto we rebuilt the trans in .. kept setting 2 different codes i cant remember what they where but i scanned it and drove it we even pulled a trailer with it.. they where false alternator was doing same thing to it..

I will look at the alternator in the am but it reads good on the amp gauge . The chip is a superchip so I was able to eliminate it and program it back to stock.

RT930turbo 03-14-2013 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by northernoffshore (Post 3885952)
I will look at the alternator in the am but it reads good on the amp gauge . The chip is a superchip so I was able to eliminate it and program it back to stock.

I think we have 2 different threads wrapped up into one :lolhit:

I don't think the alternator is your issue...

FIXX 03-14-2013 10:48 PM

fixx
 

Originally Posted by northernoffshore (Post 3885952)
I will look at the alternator in the am but it reads good on the amp gauge . The chip is a superchip so I was able to eliminate it and program it back to stock.

plug it in on the block heater cord,let it sit over nite,if it starts but with a long crank time then its the idm..

Rwbrew3 03-15-2013 12:22 AM


Originally Posted by RT930turbo (Post 3885856)
I would try it for sure! Not sure what code he saw, but even if it was an input shaft/output shaft mis-compare (indicating slip) this could all be caused by screwy speed sensor signals. If you or your tech have access to a scan tool that will allow you to read sensor data live pull up the following parameters:

RPM
TSS
OSS
VSS
Selected Gear

If you are getting interference, one or all of these values will be all over the place when the truck is sitting still and you change the rpm in Park or Neutral. When I unplugged the alternator, they immediately settled down and everything was normal. I have an old oscilloscope, and sure enough when I scoped the alternator, it was 100% the culprit.

It sounds crazy, but it sure beats a trans rebuild! (mine only had about 10k miles on it, so I was VERY relieved it was not a major issue.)

Good luck.

Thanks for the info!! Im going to try it this weekend!!

Rwbrew3 03-15-2013 12:24 AM

[QUOTE=mrfixxall;3885910]

Originally Posted by Rwbrew3 (Post 3885847)

that is way too much to rebuild a trand,,2k tops....try this,,pull the VSS out of the top of the rear diff,clean it and put it back in,,they usually get covered with metal shaving's from the gears chaffing..this will also throw off the VSS and make it shift wierd..when the newer electronic ford trans start to go you will have to petal shift it and it will slam into the next gear..

Thanks, I'm deffinatley going to try all mentioned, $3300 to rebuild is crazy for sure!!

Sorry for the high jacking!!

seafordguy 03-15-2013 10:46 AM

If the IDM doesn't fix it I had a simliar problem and it turned out to be the IPR harness (located on the back of the HPOP). The harness wasn't making good connection - consequently it wasn't telling the PCM that the HPOP had generated 500lbs of pressure required to fire the injectors. You might want to look there.

There is also a kind of poorly designed bronze nut on the back of the IPR that sometimes works its way loose and creates a similiar situation.

Good Luck - I just sold my 7.3 on Monday, but miss it already.

EDIT - I got lots of funny codes when this was happening including IDM, PCM, etc.....


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