how much truck will i need to pull 8k pounds
 

there are very few duallys here in colombia, even fewer crew cab duallys, so im looking at a couple of the FJ80 land cruisers like this one http://articulo.tucarro.com.co/MCO-4...buja-fzj80-_JM they have long wheels base and a lot of them are set up to run lp gas and gasoline, regular gasoline is 5 bucks a gallon here, lp is 35% of that! plus with the bench seats in the back i can haul a lot of people. i tried to find the towing capacity on one but cant find it. it only has a 4500 efi six banger but there is no highway here so 55 is about the fastest it would ever be towed, i can use low range 4x4 when i pull it out of the water. what do you guy think? thx for any advice, rm

i did some more searching and saw they are rated for 5k lbs, but also that toyota underates their towing capacities, 8k might be pushing it...

I have the exact same truck, mine is all original with only 70K miles. I will look at the data tag in the morning. Its fairly heavy duty for a light truck but I don't think i'd use it to tow my Scarab.

RM, how far are you towing? I know towing is a touchy subject on here. And while no means legal I know of a guy who has a 31 scarab that weighs around if not more then 8,000 lbs. He has a neighborhood ramp and the furthest the boat goes on the trailer is 3-4 miles through the neighborhood to the gas station and then back to the ramp. Never sees above 20 mph (prob closer to 15)and is done with a v8 jeep grand Cherokee. Wish I had a picture because it's funny looking. I'm aware that it doesn't stop well, And that if something happened it would happen at 15 mph or less. Power wise and even at the ramp it has no real problems doesn't even use low gear to yank it out.

Point of the story if you're going an extremely short distance, something that you're describing would physically move it and prob pull it out of the ramp no problem. But would I really get out on the open traffic with it? Probably not.

Legal?? he is in Columbia...if anything happens, legal has nothing to do with it. He is the rich gringo pulling a boat, it will be his fault.

Towing I think you're fine....stopping might be the Issue here.

Roads? Where we're going we don't need roads...

the boat is on an alum trailer with surge brakes. i probably will only be driving it a few miles to and from the ramp, the farthest it would ever go is a 2 hour drive at 45/50 mph to cartagena, but that probably will never need to happen, or once in a blue moon if it does...rm

22k is that the normal price for something like that down there?

Towing that far would be risky I'm sure ESP if there's a brake failure or something along those lines. But beyond that I'd put a heavy duty transmission cooler and HD electric fan to try and get the transmission not to puke out on a 75-80 mile over loaded haul.

22500000.00 Colombian Peso(s) = 11642.9 US Dollar(s)

and if it is anything like my old trooper was, 4low will pull the boat up a cliff.

thats actually 22 million pesos, the exchange rate today was 1927 pesos per dollar so the price is about 11k u.s. dollars. all cars coming into colombia are taxed at 60 of purchase price... so they are pricey even when they are older..rm

We have heaps of them in New Zealand and they rate the 95 on models at 3500kgs which is 7700lbs. Pre 95 they are 2500kgs. I'd personally tow it and not get super stressed over it..

cool thx for the info, im going for it...rm

Back down the ramp slowly or you may not stop until the boat is floating!! Otherwise my 4dr wrangler pulled my 25ol up the ramp easily! Rated at 3500# and boat/trailer was prob around 7k or so. And that was 2wd with 35" tirek
You have nothing to worry about besides backing too fast, it will drag front tires. Good luck!!

you can tow it with a VW Beetle. How badly would you like to be able to stop ? That is the real question. I don't think you need a dually, but a land cruiser is marginal.

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You will be fine! :daz:

Dude, get real...we know where you are. Just ask anyone on the street where you can get a deal on a truck that can haul 3,629 kilos....... shouldn't be difficult at all...

According to some on this site, I don't even think you need a truck to pull 8000lbs.

3000 pounds...no problems here...

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All this talk about brakes if a joke... If a trailer is build correctly and sized properly for what it is handling the brakes should be more than adequate to stop it properly.... The intent of proper setup trailer brakes is to stop the trailer not to push the tow vehicle...I am not saying to drive illegal just stating the facts...

I'll disagree. Here's why:

The overwhelming majority of boat trailers are configured with Surge Brakes.
1) Surge Brakes only work at 100% when the tow vehicle and trailer are in a straight line. Any type of angle between them and the surge brake actuator is not getting the same "urgency" (leverage) to stop as the tow vehicle which is trying to stop in a straight line (under normal conditions).
2) Ratchet that up a little: The tow vehicle starts to slide. Now the surge brake actuator is not getting much if any leverage to apply the trailer brakes.
3) One step further: The tow vehicle starts to slide, and cut to one side or the other AND the trailer has so much momentum that it pushes the tow vehicle around backwards into a jack-knife.

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Way too many trailers are cheaped-out, especially when they come with the boat from a dealer as a package deal; and/or when the trailer is bought for storage only and not expected for long hauls. This gets into the scenario you mention of an adequately spec'd and prepared trailer the for the boat. However, this is overlooked all too often.

I've towed the same hull/boat (37 Active Thunder) on at least a dozen different trailers; all at varying price points and specifications. There is a direct relationship to how much you spend on a trailer to how well it is equipped to how well it stops. EoH braking systems and brakes on all or almost all of the axles (2 out of 2/2 out of 3-minimum as examples) is the only way to ensure you are best suited for towing AND stopping in any conditions.

And yes, you need enough "ass" in the tow vehicle to have some semblance of control if you lose trailer brakes all together.
Converse, you also need a way to activate the trailer brakes in case you lose tow vehicle brakes. EoH and Electric brakes offer this. Surge do not.