New ford gas or diesel ?
 

I currently have a 2008 f250 with the 5.4 and just think it's under powered. Boat is a baja 275. I'm looking into getting a new truck and wondering if the diesel is worth the extra over the new 6.2 gas. We have the new 6.7l in our work trucks and we tow are bobats with them all the time and I love the power.

Any input would be great

I think the 6.2 could get the job done, but that isn't really the question, is it.

You cant go wrong with more power and the 6.7 is an awesome motor. I think you have to decide if the power is worth the extra spend.

Having gone from big block Chevy's to Ford diesel's, no way would I ever go back. Go for it!

DIESEL! But I think you already knew that. You may get a couple people that say the gas engine, but that is because they haven't towed with a diesel. There is a reson that all semi trucks, farm tractors, heavy equipment, etc all have Diesel engines.

Well if the gas will handle it do it that way. The 5.4 is not their best engine.

This was posted on the The Hull Truth- the Ford 6.7 has great power but is thirsty.

2000 mile trip towing 33' boat with 2013 Powerstroke
I know people always ask for real world #'s from these trucks, so here ya go. 2013 f250 4x4 crew cab. 3.55 rear end 6.7 PSD.

Reset computer, set the cruise at 75 from Louisiana to Miami(not towing) and averaged 16.8mpg. I drove mostly through the night, so I rarely had to tap the brakes---was on cruise 98% of the time.

On the drive home I towed the Prowler. 33' long, 11' wide, very tall(lots of wind) and roughly 10-11k#'s. Reset the computer when I got on the turnpike and towed back to LA at speeds between 60 and 65. I did go a little faster through MS and LA where it's very flat. Average for the return trip = 7.1mpg.


I love this truck. It's extremely comfortable, rides well and is very roomy. BUT, the rear end is soft as a 1/2 ton. She squats like crazy and the boat pushes it around a good bit. My GMC duramax 2500 was a better tow vehicle, in terms of suspension, transmission, and brakes. It performed better towing plain and simple. For multi-use, I like my Ford a little better with the family, but despite the appearance of being bigger, it's not as "trucky".

Just my observations and opinion. Take it FWIW.

If we're going down the fuel economy road, let's use a real world basis for the discussion. Fuelly is a great website that aggregates real world MPG tracking.

2013 F250
Gas: http://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/f-250.../2013/gas%20v8
Diesel: http://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/f-250...13/diesel%20v8

Small sample size on the gassers but you can browse other years too. You get the idea I'm sure.

If you are going to use it for a daily driver-get the gas. If just for towing buy the diesel.

I drive they truck everyday. I've driven the 6.6 duramax in a 2013 but I like my fords. I don't do a lot of long distance towing generally under 30 miles except we want to go to loto this year. I think I'm gonna wait until spring and put my boat behind a gas job and see of I like it and if not diesel it is

Thanks everyone for the input

Priced out two Ford F250s, one w/gas, one with diesel. The additional cost of the diesel and the additional cost of diesel fuel (about 80¢ per gallon here in Washington) made the crossover point (savings due to better mileage of the diesel) somewhere around 250,000 miles.

Have to figure in the diesel will make it to 250 k easily and still have a decent resale, and you would possibly have to buy 2 gas versions

yeah right......most Ford diesels can't hit 100K miles without something major failing........Your argument would be valid in a 7.3 Powerstroke but not a new one!

I thought the 6.7s were supposed to be a lot better? Haven't really heard of any issues, but agree 100% with 6 and 6.4s unless some fixes are done.

Kind of stuck on that myself, need to buy a tow/commuter and get at least 100k miles on it and love fords, but would consider a goat or bow tie for better used reliable diesels.

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/t...e-blew-up.html

http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/t...w-6-7-psd.html

Vette131 is a friend and a good diesel mechanic.. I trust his opinion and he posted that he hasn't had many 6.7 issues.. I'll keep my fingers crossed that for ford, this engine can have some of the 7.3s reliability.....

a friend of mine bought a 2013 with the 6.2 gasser,,pulls a 28 zx donzi,,cant telll the boat is back their and it pulls the boat 10 times easier then his pos 5.4 did..Also he was like omg i can gain speed going up hill now..

yup a motor blew up . probly no gasser . or chevys . or dodges blew up . early 6.7 had a few glitches but after that are a dam good mill plain and simple . theres enough out ther now to come to a valid conclution that the 6.7 is bad ass engine .. and i tell you what my 6.4 i enjoyed the hell out of . just a couple mods make that engine darn sound too ..

Did you factor in Resale?

or the cool factor??

I can't speak for the 6.7, but my 6.4 is a blast....

I did not mean to imply that a diesel would not be a good purchase. Just that if the main reason for purchase was to save money on fuel it would take awhile.
Others made a good point that a gas engine (in a towing environment) might not make it to 250,000 miles. Point well taken. Also the resale on a diesel would be better for sure.
Another plus for the diesel is if you are towing in higher elevations. My 460 F250 lost a lot of power at 6000'. I'm looking for a truck to pull about 9000# max and I live less than 2 miles from
a ramp. Mileage is not an issue as I probably put less than 1000 miles on my truck per year. I just need a truck that will safely pull my boat.

Totally UNTRUE!

I just sold my 2012 F250 6.7L, 52K trouble free miles in a year . I traded a 04 F350 with a 6.0L diesel in on it, I put 200K on that truck without any major repairs . I towed a 8k center counsel from Chicago to Marco island with the 2012 and average 11.2 mpg loaded and towing at 70 mph plus, on the way home unloaded we average 18-20 mpg. To answer your question if money is no object and you don't mind the maintenance and fuel costs associated with a diesel I would recommend going that route. If your current BAJA is a boat that you will own for the life of your truck I would buy an F150 with the eco boost. Most 3/4 ton gassers have been turds in my experience!

MY .02

Thanks for everyone's input. It has to be at least a 3/4 ton because I plow with it. I think diesel it is because we want to move up in boat size with in the next 4 years. I don't want to waste the money on a gas job just to have to buy another one in a couple years

I have a '11 6.7 and love it. Cousin drove it and just traded his '13 dura max/Allison for a '14 6.7. Both of ours are crew cab short bed lariats. Mine is a 250 and his is a 350. No better truck on the market IMHO

Btw, if you plow you should already know a gasser is a better option. If you want a 6.2, better do it now cause they're gone after '14 and so is the raptor. Ford is bringing back a lightning type truck with the ecoboost.

Fords also making minor changes to the 2015 6.7, body style will stay the same.

but the power goes uuuuup ;]]]]]]]

The 6.7s are VERY dependable. We service units with well over 200k and they are still running strong with only regular maintenance done to them. Of course one can find failures. Good grief. Nothing is perfect, but your statement is far from factual. No bash, just giving a little info.

Sam

Good to know, but I just posted some threads from OSO on the subject which you could argue is a sample population of the buyers. Those two threads plus the F450 that Chuck had to deal with (lemon law deal) would make me think twice about a Ford diesel (that being said I bought a new Lariat F150) after putting 170K miles on a duramax crew cab.

I do suspect some of the failures are from guys that mod the trucks, blow them up and then complain when the dealer won't fix it under warranty. My truck was bone stock and very trouble free in the 8 years I had it.

90 percent of contractors I know are going back to gas trucks. The 6.2 is a great engine. Don't care how long the diesel last. The truck won't