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Oh no!
Originally Posted by phragle
(Post 4661559)
And it just gets worse... I just saw a Toyota commercial on TV... Chuck Norris has sold out !!! Instant Hero to Zero status !! Total douchebag move.
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Originally Posted by Keith Atlanta
(Post 4661680)
They are putting all their eggs in 2 baskets. Chevy is going to release the newly re-designed trucks and the new mid-engine Corvette and be back on top by 2021.
The mid-engine Vette will be a trainwreck. Purists will hate it and GM will aim to have NSX quality and fail miserably. |
Originally Posted by sprsptr
(Post 4661398)
So GM is laying off about 14,000 workers and closing 5 plants in an effort to control losses. After around 60 billion in bailouts 10 years ago that cost taxpayers 11 billion, it seems like deja vu all over again! I get the propaganda about being accountable to share holders, but how about accountability to the rest of the country. It is astounding that GM is in financial difficulty so soon after all the mea culpa's expressed a decade ago. Unfortunately, lots of working class folks will be taking a beating in the mid west and Canada due to these pending actions. Coincidentally, no plant closings in Mexico or China were announced. So ask yourself before you throw 80k into a new tow rig - do these despots deserve your financial commitment? I for one voted with my wallet in 2008 when I bought a new F-350, and have bought 3 more Ford trucks since. I admired Fomoco for liquidating assets instead of taking a public bailout. I love my C7 ZO6, but really despise the prevailing attitude at GM. Regardless of what the GM spin was back in 2008, they continue to demonstrate the inability to deny short term profit, for long term stability. The president is understandably disappointed, as this will certainly affect the gains he made in those states where GM is a major employer. Gm should reconsider the long term ramifications of this action. You can only cry wolf 20 or 30 times before people get suspicious. Just my 2 cents.
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Ya but "we" get a rear engine 'Vette, so it's worth it no?
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Originally Posted by GRH
(Post 4661470)
Should have let GM die 10 years ago rather then bail it out..... survival of the fittest apply's to poorly run companies too....
GM and Chrysler Bail outs were partially due to Laws that favored unions and Govt regulations that targeted the US car makers... |
Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
(Post 4661919)
The new 1500's are ugly AND expensive. The beds look like they came off a Tundra and the front end with the wrap around "bat fenders" look terrible. The SILVERADO badges on the fenders looks like it came from JC Whitney! That "transformer" tailgate is ridiculous and the "automatic open/drop" feature will surely result in dents along the way.
The mid-engine Vette will be a trainwreck. Purists will hate it and GM will aim to have NSX quality and fail miserably. I don't think the 2020 HD will help either, it's terrible because I have always owned GM trucks and this is pathetic. https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/...60&u=t&o=f&l=f https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/...60&u=t&o=f&l=f |
Originally Posted by wannabe
(Post 4661941)
Sure Let the Chinese, Japanese and Koreans takeover..... What a STUPID PHUKKIN point of view.....
GM and Chrysler Bail outs were partially due to Laws that favored unions and Govt regulations that targeted the US car makers... |
Originally Posted by Donzi1979
(Post 4662331)
I don't think the 2020 HD will help either, it's terrible because I have always owned GM trucks and this is pathetic.
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Originally Posted by SB
(Post 4662337)
Looks like they re-hired the Pontiac Aztec designer. :(
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Originally Posted by Donzi1979
(Post 4662331)
I don't think the 2020 HD will help either, it's terrible because I have always owned GM trucks and this is pathetic.
https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/...60&u=t&o=f&l=f https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/...60&u=t&o=f&l=f |
These new ones look hideous to the majority of critics, including myself, and the quality has gone done from the complaints that I’ve seen on the Facebook. Sometimes ugly things can grow on you but these are something only a mother could love. |
Ooops.Doub;e post.
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GM worker here. Yeah im pissed and disappointed about the whole thing.
SO WHY IS FREE TRADE STILL IN EFFECT it enable US companies build overseas and pay the workers nothing then ship product back to US and charge the same as if it were built here. Every company is doing this. So who pockets are getting lined in order to screw there brothers over.https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...b897386cbe.jpg |
Oh excuse me.. Did i just step on a toe or 2
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https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...fda5f3c04e.jpg
from GM The chevy looks hard to love, but many thought the same about the new Ram and Ford before their release. Trim package can make a big difference. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...bedd6c3b77.jpg from carhd2019.club if this GMC rendition is close on the front end, I'm in. |
Originally Posted by Donzi1979
(Post 4662331)
I don't think the 2020 HD will help either, it's terrible because I have always owned GM trucks and this is pathetic.
https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/...60&u=t&o=f&l=f https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/...60&u=t&o=f&l=f If that's what GM is hanging their future on, Mary Barra is going to be turning tricks on Woodward to make ends meet by the end of the decade.... |
Originally Posted by ezstriper
(Post 4661924)
Who you should be *****ing about are tens of thousands of people who continue to buy imported vehicles, yes I've heard all there B/S made in america, but the $$$$$ goes back to their country. Also the crap about "imported" vehicles built here, dont for a second think they setup plants here to help the american worker...its to beat tariffs and make them more $$$, also most if not all of their plants here are non-union, kinda puts US automakers behind the 8 ball. I do think the unions have a had a huge impact on bringing down the US automakers, they are a runaway train at this point. So whenever you are on the road, do a little car counting...see how many imports vs american made you see...and there lies the problem.
I remember watching the news starting in the late 60s. Every few years there was a big strike and plant shut down. It became the unions driving the companies in to the ground. Couldn't lay people off, etc. I believe this led to cutting quality to pay for the excess of the unions. Before the bailouts the legacy costs of retired employs added several thousand dollars to every vehicle. Legacy costs foriegn automakers don't have. The GM bankruptcy changed the rules of bankruptcy. It had been creditors where first inline. It was changed and creditors and shareholders were wiped out .a large share of the new GM went to the unions. The same unions who ran it I to the ground were rewarded. Also why should the general public buy from the big 3 even when Union auto workers bought foriegn cars. |
The way I see it, competition drives the market. It is a shame that Dodge, Chrysler and Jeep are foreign owned but I still have hopes that might change. I will still buy Jeep and GM products because they build the vehicles I like and have driven most of my life. I cant remember a single GM vehicle I've owned that I would call unreliable and I own 18 at home and in my business. The jeeps have had their problems but are easy to fix and my family loves them, (3 wranglers, 1 G cherokee).
The point is I'm not going to sweat what these companies have to do to create shareholder value and survive. If they don't perform according to the shareholders wishes then they have to change. Market conditions including tariff's are doing that right now thanks to the administrations incomprehensible trade policies. I do know that If we don't buy American vehicles, we will surely end up driving foreign ones. |
The new HD's would strongly encourage me to buy the old body style. GMC isn't terrible but the CHEVROLET is ugly
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I was brand loyal while working 12 years for one of big three, our second car was from Japan.
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Didn't Ford do the butt ugly turn lights above the head lights like 6-8 yrs ago?
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Originally Posted by Quinlan
(Post 4662550)
Didn't Ford do the butt ugly turn lights above the head lights like 6-8 yrs ago?
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Originally Posted by mike tkach
(Post 4662597)
i think 2008 f250.is it me or does it ,the new silverado have a front end looking like a 2008 f250.
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I'm not a good judge of style I guess.... I hated the 1994 Dodge RAM new look when it was introduced... a buddy of mine who drove a KW for a living loved it! Said it reminded him of his tractor.... every other truck Mfg copied to some degree that style & it's still prevalent today on most PU Trucks.... so give it time.... maybe it will grow on you?
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1. The new Silverado HD better have a great personality, because it’s ugly as sin. 2. GM cares nothing about people. They haven’t cared since the Flint sitdown strike. They still didn’t care when they exercised eminent domain and destroyed Pole Town (hey, they left Beth Olem cemetery in the parking lot, so that’s caring, right?). They still didn’t care when they shut down Chevy in the Hole, Central Foundry. etc. They are, for better or worse, a corporation responsible only to the shareholders and the almighty dollar. 3. Free Trade agreements are a major boon for drug smugglers. Traps in cars and trailers are way easier than using expensive offshore boats and planes. 4. My next new vehicle will still have a 1,4, or 5 for the first digit of the VIN (US assembly), or maybe a 2 (Canada), but it won’t be from GM anymore. My last GM employee family member has now passed, GM will get no further allegiance here. |
Fiat/Chrysler announced they'll open a new SUV assembly plant in the Detroit area.
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Originally Posted by Interceptor
(Post 4662785)
Fiat/Chrysler announced they'll open a new SUV assembly plant in the Detroit area.
They’re revamping Mack Ave engine plant to build Grand Cherokees. At least FCA is keeping plants inside Motor City limits. Guess I’ll have to start looking at Hellcats and Rams instead of Corvettes and Silverados. |
Originally Posted by Speedracer29
(Post 4662788)
They’re revamping Mack Ave engine plant to build Grand Cherokees. At least FCA is keeping plants inside Motor City limits. Guess I’ll have to start looking at Hellcats and Rams instead of Corvettes and Silverados. |
Originally Posted by phragle
(Post 4662824)
Actually they cheroke production is headed to detroit because the toledo plant will be building the new jeep pickup as well as the jeep
That’s news to me then... I heard they were bolstering production of the Grands in the old Mack Ave Plant (they already build Grands on Jefferson), but didn’t hear they were sending anything else to Detroit. I thought the KL Cherokees were built in Illinois. Still sux that you guys are losing GM Lordstown.... Lots of great B bodies and F bodies rolled out of that shop when it was new. |
Originally Posted by Speedracer29
(Post 4662775)
1. The new Silverado HD better have a great personality, because it’s ugly as sin. 2. GM cares nothing about people. They haven’t cared since the Flint sitdown strike. They still didn’t care when they exercised eminent domain and destroyed Pole Town (hey, they left Beth Olem cemetery in the parking lot, so that’s caring, right?). They still didn’t care when they shut down Chevy in the Hole, Central Foundry. etc. They are, for better or worse, a corporation responsible only to the shareholders and the almighty dollar. 3. Free Trade agreements are a major boon for drug smugglers. Traps in cars and trailers are way easier than using expensive offshore boats and planes. 4. My next new vehicle will still have a 1,4, or 5 for the first digit of the VIN (US assembly), or maybe a 2 (Canada), but it won’t be from GM anymore. My last GM employee family member has now passed, GM will get no further allegiance here. |
We are about to experience a new era of electric cars that are fun, fast, affordable and practical and I'm kind of excited about that.
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When?
Originally Posted by thirdchildhood
(Post 4662896)
We are about to experience a new era of electric cars that are fun, fast, affordable and practical and I'm kind of excited about that.
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Originally Posted by thirdchildhood
(Post 4662896)
We are about to experience a new era of electric cars that are fun, fast, affordable and practical and I'm kind of excited about that.
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The Miejers by my house just put in a row of like 20 Tesla/electric car chargers in their parking lot.
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Originally Posted by sprsptr
(Post 4662892)
Your assessment is dead on. This latest action by GM is just an affirmation that employees, taxpayers and even President Trump matter not as long as they can post larger profits. Ford moving production back to the US last year was an admirable and supportive action, and bolstered their credibility with the country.The approach taken by FCA to revamp existing plants to produce new models is commendable, and exactly what GM should be undertaking. They could have posted a profit of 5 Bil instead of 7.5 Bil, and used the 2.5 Bil to keep their employees on, while revamping the existing plants. As for me, I will vote with my wallet. My C7 is the last GM product I will buy for a long time.
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Originally Posted by ROB FREEMAN
(Post 4663120)
. might be awhile before I see a 350 electric truck pulling a 38 footer behind her im guessing.....
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Originally Posted by phragle
(Post 4663154)
The Miejers by my house just put in a row of like 20 Tesla/electric car chargers in their parking lot.
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Originally Posted by Chart
(Post 4663230)
Are you familiar with how locomotives and ships are powered? Often diesel is still involved, but ultimately they are electric vehicles.
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Originally Posted by phragle
(Post 4663154)
The Miejers by my house just put in a row of like 20 Tesla/electric car chargers in their parking lot.
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