Diesel Shortage Coming........
 

https://www.cbs17.com/news/north-car...ing-nc-and-sc/

The U.S. Energy Information Administration reported this week the third lowest stocks on hand in the last five years of diesel fuel for the lower Atlantic area, which includes Virginia, North and South Carolina and Georgia.

I don't ever pay attention to process but I noticed the other day that the difference between gas and diesel is obscene - just under $2.00 a gallon difference. Unbelievable.....

If we run out of diesel I might be forced to drive the C8! That would be AWESOME!!!

$2 a gallon more is crazy especially if you haul for a living in a truck that gets single digit MPG.

I commute 135 miles daily in a C5 Z06. Avg 24 mpg / Max 28 mpg. I was considering picking up a TDI (diesel) VW to use for commuting but after doing the math, at current diesel fuel prices, I'd actually be spending more money to commute with the VW!

Doc,
The FL Gas Tax holiday, (10/1-31/2022), at a savings of 0.25.3/gallon, that we have been enjoying, doesn't apply to diesel, I don't know if you calculated that in....

Florida Attorney General - Gas Tax Holiday (myfloridalegal.com)

Good point buddy. Forgot about that. At any rate, at best it would be a break even and that's not even taking into account insurance on an extra vehicle, maintenance/repairs, parking, and the purchase price.

So I'll keep racking up the miles on the Z until I'm either too crippled to comfortably do so, or it gets totalled by a texting driver.

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Is that local? Background looks like FL. I just got back from working out west where it’s usually close to a buck higher than FL. Last I noticed was 5.35$ but going up steadily.

I may be wrong as my memory isnt what it once was but wasnt diesel less than gas back before the Obama era price increase? seems that was when diesel jumped up in price above gas and it has been that way since.

Years ago diesel was about half the cost of gas

How can you run out of a thing that is a less refined version of the other thing that is actually cheaper?

Diesel takes much less refining. So why is it so much higher?

Because the deep state (china) is trying to stop our production. Trucks, trains etc

diesel is more expensive because the government makes them spend more money refining it to lower the sulfur content. Another great idea from big brother

YEP. Diesel got much more expensive when ULSD became the requirement.

ULSD is still refined less than Unleaded, home heating oil takes priority this time of year so the cost of diesel goes up. Plus, I think when its all said and done, more diesel is used overall by far when you factor in all commercial use. Supply and demand at its finest. The other president still had a better handle on this...

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Shortage is all shenanigans these guys play, nobody knows what's gonna happen. Election year they try to look good lowing gas prices but I they kept gas high and lowered diesel prices it would help out on cost of goods for average house hold. Bull**it administration.

My Cummins gets parked for the winter anyhow, going away next week.
But I've been thinking about buying a Mercedes diesel sedan. These diesel prices are surely dissuading.

kinda off topic…but I wish car companies in the US would offer more diesel options. Virtually all of them discontinued sales within the last 3-5 years.

Europe gets them but we don’t…guessing it’s because of the stringent pollution laws? Or do they not sell?

we have a diesel Mazda cx5 it get in the 30smpg i do think it was discontinued its a 2019

Yes Cocoa Florida, most around here are running in $2 a gallon more. It's total BS but I think most people don't notice because they have gas vehicles. What they don't understand is EVERYTHING gets touched by a Diesel truck or train.

most did…bmw, Mercedes, vw all stopped selling diesel cars. you might still be able to buy a Range Rover? Not sure.

Not much left for diesel choices. GM, Ford, FCA, Benz and RR. All trucks.

Let's not forget about all the diesel powered ships making the world economy possible.

I live in Oregon and we recently vacationed in Florida. I immediately noticed that the diesel prices were close to that in Oregon, but the gas prices were way different. In Oregon gas is near the price of Diesel! LOL

No I think RR dumped the diesels too..........they are switching the new ones to hybrids

They all had issues when the diesel went low sulfur and the emissions were choking them out. Mercedes went to BlueTec and they were certainly not reliable like the 80's 300d that would go 500K miles.
I owned a pair of GL320 CDIs, one was great, the other was lemon lawed (it would die in traffic, towed in). The savings on diesel didn't really pay off either.

I miss the old school diesels that would run for 500k miles

I'm sure the concept of planned obsolescence has at least something to do with the fact that we don't see anything made to last 500k miles anymore.

The environmental crusaders have really pinched the production capacity of the US, not by going after drilling/fracking or pipelines, but the end of it that is rarely discussed end of refining. That is where our real shortage is causing high fuel and derivative prices. Refineries have been quietly going under, being put up for sale with no buyers to be found forcing them to close.

Current environmental laws basically prohibit a new refinery to be built so we are running on 50+ year old crap, that once again, could be built far more efficiently and "green" with today's technology, but instead we run on band-aided in and permit grandfathered facilities with process control modernizations, but really no changes to the actual distillation process since it was originally constructed.

You want the ultimate green energy? Nuclear. Expensive way to boil water for steam yes, but the amount of energy vs. per pound of waste is unmatched. Once again, new technology can make it very safe if we invested in new. Once again, we still run on crap built in the 50's and 60's.

This not in my backyard and absolute abolitionist mentality must stop. Too much "Political Science" out there and not enough "Engineering Science".

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Bingo

because they arnt actually running out …. They are just telling us peasants we can’t have it. That’s why. These politicians arnt stupid. They are deliberately destroying the country and ruining our will power at the same time. They are trying to make it to dumb and so bad that we beg for their communist solution. That’s the only end goal

Refineries are cutting a fat hog, as people argue about Facebook politics the oil companies are taking capacity off line and point fingers as they raise prices .

And turning in their Largest profits Ever.

ok...Apologies for the low awareness factor, but can anyone explain how the pricing at the local gas/fuel station actually works ? How is the price at the pump set ? I must have been hungover when they covered that in college....

Fer instance, as a very general explanation, an auto dealer buys the product from the manufacturer and the vehicle is "his" (or hers, as the case may be) and while there may be a suggested retail price for the product, the transaction price can vary due to product availability, market conditions, etc etc etc. but the bottom line is the guy who owns the product sets the price.

Same dealio for oil ?

And oil futures and the stock market affect it ...how ?

And while the refineries are allegedly hitting profits out of the park now, were they really losing money during the pandemic due to less demand ? And when the stock price per barrel dives ?

I've heard the explanations from the talking heads on TV, or politicians, but I trust very little of what comes from those sources. Is there a simple explanation ?

I'd hate to have any product in which the sale price is dependent on both the cost of the product and the stock market....

Is there a "Cliff's Notes" version of "Oil Pricing 101" ?

Fjb

Just seen a report that Diesel in New Brunswick just hit $11.68 CDN/ us gallon or $8.66 USD/gallon

Yup.

"Nothing is done so poorly that the government can’t do it worse!"

That is why I hunted for a 7.3l F250 (2000) . No emissions, no DEF, NO 10 speed transmission. Long block currently at KDD, and when I get it back everything going on engine /under hood is new Ford OEM . Bought another donor F250 (2005 6.0) with perfect body and coil suspension . In process of gutting it out as everything has to be transferred I I figure 7.3 lasted 22 years working sugar cane farming after I am done should last me the rest of my time alive. No note.

my buddy has a 99 F350 7.3 dually that a tree crushed the front of the cowl in a tornado. he bought it back from the insurance and had me fix it as he did not want one of the newer engines. it has around 350k on it and runs like new. lot to be said for the non emission diesels.

See this if you want to actually understand the issues: