what is the bolt pattern
I just found this
900.
sorry
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Yes, 7K axles. I called up the trailer shop I deal with and he ordered them. Straight from Dexter I believe they`re a in Indiana, not too far.
I don`t recall what he had me measure but it wasn`t much . Would have been easier without the boat on the trailer but with a cat tunnel it`s not too bad

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PowerBoatr,

It's not so much the GVWR that's the issue. I'm not opposed to stepping up in weight rating. It's the spring center and hub face spacing that's the issue. Not to mention that my current axles are 2X3 box tubing construction, and Dexter, and seemingly the entire industry, has moved on to round tubing, so I'll also have to order new U-bolts, as the ones I have are for box tubing. That's another $150 or so. The tubing shape itself isn't so much an issue, but to get a perfect match, requires a full custom build. The closest I'm gonna get to off-the-shelf is a "special order" D52, but that special order does not include the exact 3.5" spindle drop. It's either 4" or straight. I'd say, all-in, with shipping from TX, I'm probably looking at $1500-1600, and living with a loss of 1/2" in tire/fender clearance, or $3500-3600 for perfect match replacements.

Thanks. Brad.

Dan,

Sounds like an off-the-shelf option fit your needs. I guess my boat and trailer are more special than yours. :kiss: Or just older, whichever... Either way, Dexter has nothing in-catalog that matches what I need. Spring center and hug face spacing is killing me.

I'm just holding out hope that Heritage can help me out. Fingers crossed.

Thanks. Brad.

Well that blows.
IMOP 1/2" isn`t going to make any difference.

I know this IS NOT your problem but just to add for anyone doing searches and reading these threads many years in the future as we all do.

After a few 1200 mile trips with mine after buying, I was getting some abnormal/ excessive wear on a couple of them. Oh great... I pulled off the wheels and low and behold there was a $hit ton of caked on grease from some dip$hit over greasing all of the bearings, the grease slinging on the inside of the wheels and then add the accumulated road grime. None of this could be seen and I keep my $hit CLEAN. These pics aren't even a fraction of it that was on every one of the 6 wheels. Absolutely ridiculous. Can't even imagine how unbalanced they were. I cleaned them all and actually had them all balanced. I know standard practice is to not balance trailer tires, but knowing how crappy tires these days are, every little bit can help. Not to mention the harmonics that can be transferred to the trailer and the boat rattling everything apart. After installing new tires on the ones that showed the most wear, the wear was drastically reduced on the 2400 miles thereafter. Could it have just been a couple bad tires? Plausible I suppose because China, but I bought the same ones (Carlisle 235/85R16 G).

But then someone's "co-pilot" who shall remain nameless, fell asleep at the wheel and rode the truck and trailer up a center median at 70.


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wow
thats really crappy

not to poke fun
you need a different trailer after what you are going to spend
boats are not cheap
hope you can find it without selling a kidney

PowerBoatr,

It’s actually a really nice trailer. Heritage builds a nice product. And I’m sure a new one would be $15K, if it’s a dime.

Yup. I get that boats are that proverbial hole in the water. And we’ll get through it. It is what it is.

I also want to clarify…. I no longer believe this is the result of the unfortunate incident at the ramp. I seriously doubt that whatever caused the damage to the left fender could have bent the axles on the right side. With that in mind, the CFO may insist we try a new set of tires and see what happens first.

Thanks. Brad.

Brad,

just to throw this out there, I’d try to give magic tilt trailer parts out of Florida a call. My trailer is over 10 years old. I put a third axle on. I measured existing axle width from end flush mt surface of hub to hub. Also the spring perch distance. They have square tube. Just look what they have and see if something works online.

As someone mentioned, if they are notthe same exact width, like 93 vs 92 or something….that wont matter. You just need to get the closest width and the spring distance and in reality, there is some side to side give with that too. Just after you get them, make sure tire looks straight up and down and toe in vs out compared to other axle is same…. Make sure nothing obviously wrong.

just another thought

What I learned was, every steep ramp with torsion axles grossly overloads the front axle. Almost every steep ramp will hang the back 2 axles, then the weight and fulcrum coming up and out just makes the axle give up.

My new trailer is on springs and equalizers. Spreads the load properly.
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Chris,

I reached out to the and sent them the specs from Heritage. We'll see what they say.

Thanks. Brad.

oh no
Not poking heritage
Just by time all is said and done
A new trailer may be looking close

my trailer was rebuilt by previous owner, it was built in Canada. Not sure if they may be a source for parts..it does like maple syrup
I imagine his time and money spent
He could purchased a new one
He metal worked, made perm board mounts to fit the hull
Lowered it in the cradle
but its time for springs
My cfo. Gives me those looks as well
I hope you get it worked out
Tires tearing up on a trip sucks
not to mention. Our wonderful highways

PowerBoatr,

Sometimes, it's a labor of love.

I spoke with Chris at Heritage. They have them, literally, on the shelf. ~$1700 for two. Literally HALF the price Dexter quoted me. The only problem is that freight is gonna kill me. Anybody going through Benton, IL and Dayton, OH any time soon....? :rolleyes:

Thanks. Brad.

Guys,

Best news I’ve heard in a bit….

I can get them direct from Heritage, $1700 for the pair, and pic them up from the MFR that makes them, which is only about a 2-1/2hr drive from our place on Cumberland. Sounds like an excuse to go to the lake and make a small road trip. Saves me the $700 freight :eek: (not kidding).

Thanks. Brad.

Tank of fuel even at 4.79 beats the freight
plus a nice drive

Try Axis trailer products. Elkhart In Dexter owns them.

Harsin,

Already a done deal. Exact replacement acord are ordered through Heritage, and I’m gonna pick them up at K2 MFG, who actually does the fabrication. They should be ready for pickup April 8th.

Thanks. Brad.

I need to correct my statement that Dexter owns Axis trailer products. They do not own Axis. Axis is a manufacturer.

Guys,

Turns out, K2 MFG shipped my axles to Heritage. Oops. So the rep at Heritage offered to meet me in Louisville and make the exchange, which actually saved me 2-1/2 to 3 hrs of drive time, total.

We got back home from Cumberland on Sunday, I dropped the axles off for powder coat Monday afternoon and got them back Wednesday afternoon. Kewl. It’s all coming together….

Dropped the boat in at our local overgrown mud puddle, spent the day cruising around. I can’t WOT it yet, as we still have the tuning to be done after the cam swap, but we have the WBO2 in and closed loop on, so we were safe, but the 30” prop is going to work out great and I love the feel of the new full hydraulic steering. We then parked it for the weekend at the marina. Came in this morning and got to work pulling the trailer apart, and discovered this….

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The purple is the old axle, and the black one is the new. They are obviously different.

I sent the pics and called the heritage rep. Somehow, somewhere along the way, he got confused and thought my trailer was a 2011 model instead of 2001, and, apparently, they changed the brake configuration somewhere in the interim. So he’s sending me the mating caliper and bracket, free of charge.

I had also ordered new bearings, races and retainers from Heritage, as well as new U-bolts, lock nuts and lock washers from McMaster-Carr.

We are now at a dead stop until all these parts come in (should be no later than Wednesday), but at least I’ll have everything axle-adjacent new except the hubs. The axles do, however, mate up with the leaf springs perfectly, though, so I should be good from this point forward, $30/day marina slip fee aside.

Never a dull moment….. :faint2:

Thanks. Brad.

Good you have the axles
great the rep is standing up
getting everything to you

Guys,

I went into the shop this morning, thinking I’d get the hubs disassembled and cleaned up, ready to install when the time came. But I’ve hit a snag…,

I can’t get the outer bearing out. I’ve confirmed the bearing itself is ~.150” larger in diameter than the opening I have to get it out through.

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There appears to be a reducer ring/spacer installed to fit a specific size Bearing Buddies:

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Anybody ever seen this? How would one go about getting this out? Just press it all out brome the back at once? Bearing, race, reducer and all?

Thanks. Brad.

Thats what it looks like
pop whole thing out

Powerboatr,

Yup. Upon suggestion from the rep at Heritage, I stacked the hub on some 1-2-3 blocks here at the shop and pecked it out with a slug of brass.

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(Pay no attention to the mess on the lathe :rolleyes:)

I’ve since driven the old races out and the new ones in. When the rest of the parts get here, and I get the axle install done, I’ll move forward with installing the bearings and seals and getting the hubs installed.

Thanks. Brad.

outstanding
yes i see some stuff
but dayummmm you have a lathe at the ready
bravo zulu

Guys,

As it turns out, pretty much everything I have doesn't match up with these new axles. So, Heritage is sending me new hubs/rotors along with the new brake assembly parts. I'm gonna end up with entire new axle assemblies, less now leaf springs, for the cost of raw axle beams. At what point should I start to feel guilty?

Thanks. Brad.

They going to powder coat it purple too ? :) joking

This whole thing is kinda crazy, but not rare. Some, too many ???, project's run into crap like this unfortunately.

Why doing things in season can really bite you in the azz. Good thing you tackled this early in season /pre-season.

Well, wishing you are now on the correct road to finishing.

SB,

I'm getting fairly familiar with the snowball effect. I'm just glad he's sticking it out with me and not just telling me to grab my ankles and my credit card.

I think we're on course to get it all back together this week, depending on how long the transit takes. I'm not sure what's left that could possibly not match up at this point.

Thanks. Brad.

you should feel guilty now. I usually have to buy three versions of the same part to find out none fit and now I cant return them. this is why I have so much stuff filling the shop. feel blessed they are helping you out on this and hopefully this is the last of it.

Good news
today on way back from range
There is a brand new trailer parts warehouse
They have stacks of trailer paets being off loaded
we need it bad
lots of cattle trailers need love
As well as other haulers and boat trailers

Nothing is ever easy. Ever.

not true, all my projects were so easy in my head. every 3 day project was worth the 8 months and were the best 5 years spent working on them.

Comped,

Every ten minute job is one broken bolt away from a three day ordeal. :hitfan:

Thanks. Brad.

I have been saying this for YEARS. THIS is why you go WAY overkill on boat trailer axles.

my car trailer has 12,000 lbs of suspension under it. everyone thinks it is nuts but I did once have to move 16,000 lbs a short way and it towed perfect plus I know no car will ever bother it. probably overkill but the springs and axles were free so that's what it ended up being.

Yep, my aluminum trailer is 10,000lbs. capacity. I've had my Lincolns on it, other cars, plenty of other odds and ends, as well as a 9000 lbs. Caterpillar skid steer. It has E-rated tires, and I manage tire pressures according to what I am hauling. (I also use trailer TPMS with temperature as well.)


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Or just get a flexible boat trailer: :D :D

Guys,

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Back on its feet. I made a set of adapter sleeves for my old Bearing Buddies. There were adapter sleeves on the old hubs, but the new hubs have a larger grease cap ID, so they wouldn’t work. These work perfect. And I really like the snap-in caps rather than the rubber “bras” that are such a PITA to get on right.

Went and retrieved the boat from the marina. Stopped for lunch on the way to the marina (no boat) and checked the hubs for heat. Warm to the touch. Pulled off half way back to the shop and checked again. A little warmer, but we could leave our hands on them indefinitely. Checked at the shop, after a short stint on the highway. A little warmer yet, but still not so warm as to not be able to leave our hands on them. No grease on the side of the boat or visible on the underside of the fenders. I think we’re good. Time will tell on the tire wear, but the spindles triangulated out perfectly after locking them down on the springs.

Thanks. Brad.

outstanding results, great to hear its all back and working as it should
i first thought those wheels look small.... then i noticed just how big the trailer is

So nice, clean and shiny. Too bad they will get dirty trailering, launching and retrieving .

Padraig

Padraig,

It all gets a bath every once in a while. :cool:

Thanks. Brad.