THANKS!

ARE YOU A HYDRODYNAMICS ENGINEER? IF NOT, BE CARFUL ABOUT WHAT YOU SAY AND BE ABLE TO BACK UP WHAT YOU SAY. YOUR COMENTS ARE COMPLETELY WRONG!
REGARDS,
DJW

SORRY I MISSED YOU MIKE!

Another thing I like, is the modernized sunpads on some boats. Like the vented sunpads on the hustler slingshots, or the smaller sunpads like on the new donzi's. I'm sure people have mixed feelings on these, but for me they make a boat look more refined.

for one, you are shouting at me in caps.
take an internet manners lesson


for two, you are shouting and being a smarta** to a two time BUYER of the product who spent 9 years owning the product, getting the product ALOT of it's first exposure here, getting my friends (multiple) interested in, and BUYING them, stem to stern going over and /or running in most every one that came into stock for those years, and cheerleading Steve's boat.

I'm sure you believe that I don't know how the bottom works, feels, what it likes and what it doesn't...

After hundreds and hundreds of hours running my own 26' and 32' EVERYWHERE/ALL THE TIME up here including poker runs and outrageously rough Lake Ontario conditions that make ocean swells a cakewalk by comparison, having for the most part managed the pad VERY well, (being asked more than once by players much bigger than me "how the hell do you run that thing so high and straight")...and almost killing myself in each of 90-100 MPH 22's, 26's and 32's pushing the limits...

I think in regards to the man's boat I am closer to being a phuking "hydrodynamics engineer" than you are.

RIGHT BACK AT 'YA FRIEND...BE CAREFUL, AS YOU ARE THE ONE IN THE DELICATE PUBLIC RELATIONS POSITON NOT ME!
BTW, IF YOU ARE A HYDRODYNAMICS ENGINEER MR. SALESMAN, POST YOUR CREDENTIALS. I'VE POSTED MINE.

maybe Ragged could put back the real world reporting that you asked him to remove?
I could add quite a bit more of what I've seen myself, I have been kind.

questions?

Regards, RPM

FIRST OFF, THE CAPS LOCK IS JUST ON FOR NO REASON - IM NOT SHOUTING. SECOND, I HAVE NOT ASKED ANYONE TO REMOVE ANY COMMENT FROM THE TREAD. AS FOR RAGGED, HE CONTACTED ME IN A PRIVATE EMAIL OFFERING TO REMOVE HIS POST AND I TOLD HIM THAT IT WAS NOT NECESSARY AND THAT I WANTED TO HEAR IT ALL. IF YOU HAVE MORE TO ADD I AM ALL EARS, THAT IS WHY I STARTED THIS TREAD. I AM LOOKING FOR CONSTRUCTIVE ADVISE NOT SOMEONE TRYING TO RE-ENGINEER THE WORLD. EVERYONE MAKES A DIFFERENT PRODUCT FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. SOME THINGS WORK AND SOME DONT. LETS NOT FORGET WHY I STARTED THIS TREAD - IT WAS TO FIND OUT IN A PERFECT WORLD WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN OR ON A VELOCITY BOTH MILD TO WILD. AS FOR THE ENGINEERING - I PERSONALLY AM NOT A HYDRODYNAMICS ENGINEER NOR DO I CLAIM TO BE. WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT THE MAN THAT DESIGNED THE HULL IS READING THIS AND ASKING FOR PROFF TO YOUR CLAIMS. I THINK HE WOULD KNOW MORE THAN ANYONE. I PERSONALLY HAVE A 390 WITH EVERYTHING THAT A 382 FORMULA HAS AND MORE, AND THE BOAT PERFORMS EXCEPTIONAL. BECAUSE I HAVE BOW RAILS AND A FULL HEAD AND A TV DOES NOT MAKE MY BOAT BOW HEAVY. MAYBEE YOU SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE 410SC THAT THE FACTORY RAN ALL YEAR AND RE-THINK WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN.

In no way did I express in my posts any substantial personal experience or knowledge of the 390/410, though I do have some, I think it's clear I have been commenting on the smaller offerings.
Though I could give some commentary on the first couple 390's. I hope they are better finished these days and the deck doesn't shake and bounce.
Let's not forget, this is a public forum, and with some experience with the smaller boats I feel that I may express my opinion. Which is exactly that.

So...how's a PRODUCTION 290 run with an HO? How long is the bottom...really?, how much does it wiegh, and is it any faster than a handful of boats of comparable bottom length, wieght and power?
I stand by my OPINION that you need a REAL PALPABLE SPEED ADVANTAGE (what the Velocity name is associated with) to get in the game, and it's elementary that adding fluff and wieght to the smaller boats is contrary to that end.

Be aware in terms of the 290 for example, real-world speeds have been posted by owners here on the board.

I stand by my comment (and those of others) that the asthetics of the glass windshields (regardless of function) is absolutely disgusting. Then design another deck around looking right with a glass windshield.

Also recall that this discussion has also been about appearance and quality...

I'd relax on that Formula comparo...

I'll give you an example. Though not about options, it's about quality, it does have a place in the bigger discussion.
I ordered a twin engine Velocity new. Quite by happenstance I discover that the starboard engine had been dropped with the bellhousing and motor plate bolted on. It was put in the boat anyway with a bent plate (and was drilled for it) and a broken bellhousing. Never could get that side just right even with a new bellhousing, motor mount plate, and a drill.
...3 seasons and 200+ hours old you can slip the alignment tool into both sides of my Formula with 2 fingers, and it's never been touched.


I stand by my comment on having a feel for the boats. If I didn't I woulda got more seriously hurt ( not just come close) a long time ago.

I misunderstood the communication between you and Ragged, please accept my apologies.

As far as the man goes, well he's the man. I would never question his knowledge of the bottom.
Though he's not the one buying the boats, we are.
I am a believer in the bottom, and it's because I understand it as much as any layman can...between wheel time in a plethora of them often pushing the limits with power and speed and being an "A" student of physics.

Get away from the "one-offs" nobody cares! You've got to put together combos that can be DIRECTLY COMPARED to other offerings. Why are we avoiding that??? I'm not the only one asking this question!!

or does that bring us back to the question of speed advantage?

Lastly, If commentary to the effect of "get rid of the ugly, less than well done fluff and put the emphasis back on performance" (not windshields and options)
is "re-engineering the (your) world"... then it's clear your presence here is just lip service...
that the present direction, look, and level of fit and finish is acceptable, and will stay that way.

last post for me, though I'll enjoy watching the latest hot factory sponsored debate...
"LCD TV/DVD... better to port or starboard?"

Geesh, Rippem, I see you are making friends here too.

With all due respect.....

Don't start a thread/discussion if your not able to handle some criticism.

As a GM, you have absolutely nothing to gain by responding this way???

I AM HAPPY TO TAKE ALL CRITICISM! THAT IS THE MAIN REASON THAT I STARTED THIS TREAD. I NEED CRITICISM TO GO IN THE DIRECTION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GO WITH VELOCITY. THE MAIN THING THAT I WILL NOT ACCEPT IS PEOPLE POSTING ANY BASHING OR SORTS OF. YES I NEED TO HERE IT ALL, AND IF ANYONE WANTS TO RANT - START ANOTHER TREAD. THIS TREAD IS FOR CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM NOTHING ELSE.