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Rippem:

Thanks for the great reply.

I would buy a larger Formula if the deal and timing was right too. Sounds like you got a great deal. Would agree about the smooth 30-50MPH Formula ride, but 73 with my straight V is about as good as I am going to get without more power.............money better spent on a bigger/newer boat.

My family and I boat from April (or whenever the river thaws!) to late October so we NEED wind protection at speed...........Florida this is not. My wife (luckily) is into performance boating but I don't think I could sell her on the flat deck no windsheild thing. How well does the fairing work, and not to be a dummy, but what is a "pod".

Have not seen a picture of the raised deck '39 are they that fugly?

My next step is to look take a test spin in a velocity and see for myself.

Thanks for the input. Great site and board.

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the "pod" is a molded fiberglass piece attatched to the deck to move the guages mostly up into line of sight but also more outboard of the wheel and slightly angled in. It works very well for it's intended purpose...it's just that asthetically it does the deck design itself no justice. They are not a factor on the 39'/41', only the 260/280/320. Without it the guages are set alot like Fountain, semicircle around the wheel on the flat face of the deck itself. I believe the 290 is without guage pods.

I have not seen this raised deck for the 41' either. Though I'll bet I'm not gonna like it. I'll bet it looks alot like Black Thunder's SC raised deck in the sculpting of the raised areas. The 290 does. Again, I was speaking of the smaller boats in that post. I like the raised deck on the 290SC, it's a beautifully sculpted piece...but they all look like hell with a Taylor w/s and the above mentioned boats don't look right with any w/s or guage pods.

My apologies as I got a little off topic on you. :)

You can see the pods on my 32' in this pic.
These are 1st gen pods. The second gen add on pices are absolutely disgusting and I have not seen a set fit as well as the firsts. As you can see they are a one piece add-on to the face and top of the deck.

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cabin shot.

sorry for the crappy pics...they are scanned. :rolleyes:

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if you look closely you can see the pods here. :D

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I recognize those pods!! :p

Have you seen the new 390 on the Velocity website? (click on 'additional photos')
That is the sweetest looking Velocity I've ever seen.... beautiful lines, no bow rails, no "pods", very, very nicely layed out cockpit and dash... looks awesome.

I agree the Velocity's looked better without that new fugly windshield. And the bigger ones look good with no wind protection.... however I do like the fairing on my 32', I'm about 5'10", and it's perfect for deflecting the wind and keeping the bugs out of my face. I like the looks of it, and really couldn't picture it without it.

292SR1:
Good Luck with your search for a 39/41.

I look forward to hearing your impressions of it. :)

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Dave, I hope you don't mind me posting pics of your boat for the sake of this discussion. :)

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Not at all Rip :cool:

Kinda makes me appreciate it even more... and it's nice to see pictures I haven't seen yet too ;)

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Thks Teamv and Rippem for your input.

Rippem: Had a mental picture all day of your 32 Velocity at full "RIP" :D into the wind on the tail...........great pic. Man its been a long time since I've heard the bark of a couple of big blocks. This Northern climate is a grind. Have had the 292 skipping on 2 - 3 footers into a hard wind and thats what it is all about. The "drivers boat" impression of the Velocity has my interest.

My next ride will be used a lot as a family boat (hence the wind deflection issue), but as I explained to my wife when we went from a 22 Grew with a single 260HP SB to twin BB Magnums in a 29.......its easy to make a fast boat go slow, but it doesn't work the other way around! :evilb:. A larger stabbin cabin would be nice too.

Have to agree with TeamV on the windsheild (sorry Rippem) the bugs in the eyes does not work for me.

Again, great board with the Velocity guys. Have to respect the performance and loyalty to the brand.

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And still has mine. ;)

It's flat out amazing what his hull design will fly right across the top of...if you've got the ballz and enough HP for the hull.

Far too many of his boats never see thier potential in rough water recreationally. They run straight, but loose, and that is unnerving to alot of guys, and even moreso to thier women. Though that's where the best RIDE is! :cool:

Probably not as much of an issue with the 41'. This is definitely more pronounced on the smaller 32' and under.

Though I've watched the 39' race on tape, and it's pretty loose @ speed!

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There is no raised deck 41 in the works. I think what was being referred to was the fact that the 410 is taller than the 390 in the windshield area of the deck.

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I have heard otherwise sort of, not necessarily in the works, but that some thought had been given the project...a deck similar to the 290 SC in shape and rise.

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NOPE. not by me.

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Thks Rippem.

Might be mistaken but I think there was a mention in Powerboat recently of a 39 (not 41) with more cabin headroom a-la the 290 weekender. Anyone know what the headroom is in the existing 39? Velocitys' website said the deck on the 39 was raised after the first release in 1999.

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I dunno. I still say any raised deck project or one-off would be on the full hull hieght 41'. Putting a raised deck of any kind on the 39' would be defeating it's purpose and intended audience. A negative in terms of profile and wieght...don't see it.
The deck of the 39' was changed slightly in 2000. More for strength I think than anything. There was a 99' up here that you could watch the deck bounce up and down in the middle on big hits, and shudder up and down violently when coming over on plane w/Hydros. That was f*cked up to see and a little scary! :eek:
I will say, and repeat twice if necessary, that that deck NEVER failed structurally other than some cracks in the dash area and loose gauges and stuff from all the vibration. The Hydros made it terrible when breaking over.

Part of the changes for 2000 included reinforcement for the large overhang of "deck" that is the dash area on the 39'. The boat that was here got bow rails down each side of the hatches thru bolted into a strip of something on the underside in the cabin in an attempt to stiffen the deck up some. ;)

This is typical of a first year product...learning some things.

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An all new 32 with a raised deck just like the 290 SC is being built right now, and should be done in a couple of months. Any talk of a raised deck on the 39 or 41 never made it to the planning stage.

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O.K. dead subject then. :)

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So tell us about the bottom not the top. Will this "all new 32" run on it's own bottom with twins? The existing 32' has a bad rap you know, and I suspect, if your as close to the subject matter as you seem to want us to think...you know why.

Has it been fixed???

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Yes, I know why, and that is the main reason for the redo. The hull is the old 30 hull from the 80s with an integrated swim platform which yields 32 feet. It also gives a nice deep entry (as I'm sure you're aware by your obvious knowledge of Velocity). It really shaping up to be a nice boat.

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The pad man...the pad...
Is it big enough for the boat to run on now?

The old 30 was a fantastic running boat in it's day. ;)

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Two of us ran that 32' hull for a combined total of 12+ seasons. Positive tab was always in play at virtually any speed. The boat would just not run lower speeds without lotsa tab. A properly designed bottom, one engineered properly for weight and CG shouldn't need this.
Was this a result of too little pad, or too agressive a notch, or a combo of both?

Your saying here this has been corrected on the new 32'?

One thing about my Formula...it just doesn't like positive tab at all. Wether it's running hard in 2-3 footers, cruising 50 MPH, or down to a damn near minimum planing speed, just put 'em away...the boat runs straight and level and stays on plane, on it's own bottom. I am seldom employing tab other than too correct for a heel in a crosswind, or in 3- 4+ footers obviously.

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wasn't the original 30' mold destroyed (burned) as part of the trademark settlement?

Have we splashed a nice straight surviving 30' for a new mold?

see posts 59&60

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The new 322 hull was splashed from a recently restored 30'. It won't be as fast as the 320 hull with the same HP - but it will be better behaved at higher speeds.

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:confused:

I never thought of it as necessarly a poor design?

Yeah, the 32 is azs heavy.... deeply mounted engines, lotsa aft fuel/passenger weight (maybe an oversized swim platform?)

I thought of it more as a trade-off of hull efficiency/performance/ride/handling etc...

Hmmmm..... maybe too aggressive a notch.... makes sense. Requiring tab at lower speeds... but benifitting less hull surface in the water at higher speeds...
My experience has been to see 75mph or better I have to run at least a neutral tab... then 'tip-toe' into negative tab for the last mph or two. (between a -2 and -3 if I recall??) (BTW- it is possible the pegs may be off slightly)

True, it is not a "point and shoot" boat.

Half the fun is learning how to drive these hulls.... no??

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Agree totally with Team V. The 320 was designed for speed efficiency using Merc's black motors. Yes you need to keep your finger on the tab button but I felt that was a good trade off for the speed potential. The 320 hull had no compromises with it turning ability! It's truely a driver's boat.

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I never intended to crucify the 32' as a bad design. At it's introduction it was certianly one of, if not the fastest boat of it's size and weight with black motors...over 80 every day on 502EFI's. 'Nuff said.

At what price speed? I mean shortly after it coming to market, other boats in it's class were running just as fast on black power, with somewhat better behavior overall.

Argue if you like...the running surface aft wasn't "big enough". You would never get that boat on plane without full positive tab ( with Hydromotives), or run it at any speed with success without neutral or MORE tab. Including wide open, which if you do get away with it for a little burst...it's all over if somebody spits in the water in front of the boat...and you aren't bumping those tabs or trim back down in a hurry. :eek:

Dave, don't confuse mounted engine hieght in realtion to the deck with the fact that the hull is very tall/big aft, which also contributes to the problem. Too much weight outboard of the small running surface, though the platform adds little. Albeit the finest, most user friendly integrated platform I've ever seen on a performance boat! The X is actually quite agressive (high) ,thus the huge notch...to make it possible to have the centerlines that high...for top speed. To get a more accurate perspective on this look at the distance from the bottom of the motors to the floor of the bilge instead. ;)

I'll tell 'ya that tip forward/removable back seat is a winner too!! :cool:

Don't get me wrong I had great luck with mine, and "understand" that hull. I'd run anybody but Steve himself in one...anywhere, anytime, the more HP the better. We've got more seat time and longer ownership periods than anyone right here between Barstow and I. Take a look at the pics...I run that b*tch like that for 125 miles in a poker run, throttles to the wall 90% of the time just using drive trim to modulate the boats attitude. Of course, more HP than I had would require more throttle work. I'm 6'6" 240 and can remember clearly in that very rough 99' TI run, my feet just tapping the floor as I levitated in the boat at WOT for miles in 4+' wind and poker run slop. My feet would only tap the floor when the wave crests would tap the boat up to meet me. It was an easy day on the knees...cause they never saw any weight just tiptapping across the crests! After the run, I was most impressed with a couple of the older "players" in big iron that were docked in the same area coming over and complimenting me on having "that thing hung high and straight all damn day"..."how do you do it?" My answer was "this isn't my first Velocity." :D Then of couse the innevitable "what power?" "carbed 454 Mags" no f'kin way...open the hatch". (See comment about throttle position above). I was beating up on 37-40' boats with mod 85 MPH power that couldn't/wouldn't run their power that hard for that long. I just put the trusty Mags on the dash and leave 'em there. (Sorry Dave :o ) I was right there with them trading lead in rough conditions with a 77 MPH boat 7-10 feet shorter. My navigator Bob C. (a retired shool teacher/administrator) is into performance bigtime and had alot of hot rod toys over the years...he couldn't get enough, and had complete faith in the boat and I as we had run together before. The only thing he wanted on the route that day was another 10 MPH! Way cool PR partner! :p

Never ran another big PR after that. Figured I made my point about Steve's boat and my driving skills. Took home 2nd place bonanza to boot. :D

Just making the point that I'm not throwing that hull under the bus...that damn thing made me a hero, and not just that day...it made me feel like one many times over 6+ years. Just that I'm sure Steve can do even better with a boat that size in terms of overall performance.
'cause if your gonna sell recreational boats to the masses, they should have a wider window of good performance. :)

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Dave, the tab indicators are off side to side about one pin width.
Check where nuetral is on the the trailer...trust me your never above nuetral with the tabs, other than at the beach. :p

Even with the bottom (neutral) is about 2 1/2 to 3 hashmarks down.

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notice straight, level, lack of wetted bottom, positive tab, and the relaxed demeanor of the occupants. :D

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Okay... point made....

But... it doesn't cost any extra to use the tabs! :evilb:

I'll do some checking in the spring... I've been wanting to find neutral on the tabs in relation to the pegs.

What fun would it be if we all just picked our tabs up and pushed our throttles to the wood all day?

(We can split hairs about getting on plane some other time ;) :) )

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Ah... but it does, exponentially more drag (when beyond neutral) than the equivalent sq. inches of wetted bottom. ;)





[QOUTE=TEAM V] What fun would it be if we all just picked our tabs up and pushed our throttles to the wood all day?

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Like I do in the Formula? It's another 1800 lbs. dry on only an additional 120 HP, and is only 5 MPH slower?

It will plane with NO tab!

Don't take me too seriously here...I'm just making conversation. :) and enjoying the discussion.

Velocity spoiled me for the thrill of driver involvement.
Yes, the Formula is B O R I N G in that respect. The GF has even made that unsolicited comment!
It sure works nice though. :drink:

P.S. how the hell do you do the double quote thing in a post?

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on a lighter note...I gotta buy another SeaDoo. :cool:

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hey thoroughustler, i was wondering were you are located? and what is the name of your dealership?
also will you be at the chantilly va. boat show?
thanks Joel Ross

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The problem with the 320 is that it's a 410 with 9 feet cut off the back. That left the running surface rather short. In fact, the running surface on the 320 is shorter than the one on the 260. The new 322 will not have that problem. While it should continue Velocity's reputation as a "drivers" boat, it should not be a handful like the 320.

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funny thing is, after owning one for years, and getting other examples of the 32' hung right many times/every time in the 90+ MPH range....I feel that I can step in and drive anything V-bottom, or at least the learning curve will be very short. That boat trained me to see the bottom working in my minds eye every time, an invaluable lesson! :cool:

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The first time I went out with Steve, he told me I was thinking to much as I was driving and just needed to feel what the boat was doing. That made it much easier to drive after that.

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that's what I mean...intuitive (not thinking too much about it), like your *ss is the bottom of the boat or that you and the boat are one. At some point early, you either get it and it's all natural and easy after that...

...or you don't and you stay one of the unlucky bast*rds who can't drive 'em and never will, especially the 22' and existing 32'.

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OK here is what I know. Put a raised deck on a 390 and you'll have a 41. Much of the length difference between the 2 boats is because of the height cut off and the agle of the bow and transom. The running surface between the two boats is nearly identical. Speaking of cutting down the heights, the 32 was supposed to be a little longer, however the angle of the bow was not considered when the height was cut off. The 32 came out of the 41 mold, the bottom was then modified/tuned. I was at the factory when they were working the plug. The old 35 was also directly out of the 41 mold, they just blocked the mold when they laid up the boat.
If you like head room then you'll like the 41. I own a 41, the cabin is plently tall, so is the cockpit. I am 6'4" and this is one of the few performance boats out there that I can be in instead of feeling like I'm riding on top of the boat. In 96 I had Steve build my boat with no cabin, just a few extra bulkheads. I also like the traditional styling so I also had him build the boat without the swimplatform. I also modified the windshield, the boat originally came through with the 12 windshield. This windshield is not a straight angle like the shorter ones, it turns verticle in the top 3 inches. I cut the windshield just keeping the top third, it doesn't wrap around anymore, I also shot it white. I'm sure there are some pics in the velocity pics thread. The boat is all white.
Now performance, the boat is powered by 550 - 600hp motors, haven't been dynoed. I spin 28" labbed B1 props to 5400 rpm, the boat runs 85 - 86 mph all day. I mostly run the Atlantic off the coast of NJ, the water here is usually big, as long as you don't overtrim the boat you can munch through just about anything. You use to much trim and you'll beat yourself to death. Everyone that has ever been in the boat, other owners of all types of performance boats, are always impressed by the performance in the rough. Again it's very much a matter of trim.
I would definitely buy another 41 if I was in the market for another V bottom. Next boat will definitely be a cat, 36 or 40 Skater. But for now the 41 is everything I ever expected in a V bottom. This year she gets an intercom.

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I've only been out with Steve once. He had just built a 32 that was headed to the UK, it had Volvos with duo-props. The Volvo tech was there and they went to run it in the river, old shop. The volvo tech held the radar gun, boat was running high 80s.

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Anyone ever try spinng the props out on a 32? My uncle has a 32 and is always dragging tab. This is something I wanted to try with him to see if it would help. I would really like to play with the CG a little. Just can't seem to find the time to help him with the 32, always too "busy" having fun with my Velocity :evilb:

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Not really because a deck like the 290SC style built to length of the 39' would not make the boat longer, just provide more headroom below especially in the middle. The 39 would still be cut down boat in terms of hullside hieght. A different means to the same end of equivelent/near equivelent HR of the 41'

I'm 6'6" also and am well aware of the Velocity freeboard...it's fantastic

The 35' didn't work quite right either.

I don't think it would be of any assistance spinning props out. It's hard enough to get and keep the boat up on the small running surface as it is, with all prop at the centerline of the keel pad (inboard rotation). I think the boat would be a good deal slower thru the effect of never getting the hull lift out of the water as designed, and might handle wierd in other ways..

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what about the 35 i have never seen one but did see one on here a few years ago that looks like it would be a good boat 35 long with the freeboard of the 41