West Coast 28-30ft
07-24-2008, 12:22 AM
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I was a former Scarab owner myself. I have been around the offshore boat industry since the late 70's and worked on alot of them. I think your missing the point. Their weakness is taking the pounding of the ocean water compared to the lake water. As I said before, take any west coast mfg boat out and run it through the same paces as an east coast mfg boat in some rough ocean water and see which one holds up better. Thats why you weren't using Lavey Craft's, Schiada's or Howard's in your Seal Team. These companies all make really great boats and their rigging is awesome but they are (LAKE BOATS) or (RIVER BOATS). Sorry if I hurt your Feelings but it's the truth! Take your Advantage 28ft Sport Cat (LAKE BOAT) out in the ocean and run it hard and you are gonna be fixing alot of things when you get back to shore. I have had a Daytona too and it's a great boat, but it's a (LAKE BOAT). I don't loose any sleep over it! Check your own knowledge!
No hurt feelings here. It just seems like ya got a real chip on your shoulder about west coast boats. Making a blanket statement about all of them is pretty silly. About like someone calling all east coast boats heavy resin buckets. Doesn't make much sence either, does it? As for my Advantage, I never said it was designed for the big blue ,did I. But since you brought it up, I have had the Sport Cat out there many times. And even though the boat is ten years old, the gel on her is PERFECT. And not a single stress crack ANYWHERE. And no, I have not had to do repairs after an ocean run thank you. Not bad for a weak lake boat. But thanks for helping me make my point.
Darrell.
07-24-2008, 12:25 AM
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Not sure about the 28 sport cat but I will put my 27 advantage V with twins up against any builder with close to the same size boat in true lake MI 3-5's any day. It rides better in the ruff than a 28 saber with twins, pantera 28 with twins, and 27 formulas with twins. Every one that I have ridden in and rode next to flies transom heavy. Better balance would likely make them equal though.
Mine was already very well balanced and rode great but extension boxes make the boat ride like a 32. It flies dead level no matter what you go through.
There are plenty of east coast boats that come back from lake MI with plenty of things to fix. Allot of them cant take the pounding and have interior parts dangling and loose screws when they come back in. I have never tightened a loose screw, but likely won't have to since everything is through bolted with nyloc nuts. I did have a cabin door break the hinges then crack the door once.
I would'nt say all are lake boats, considering there is a big ocean there with just as ruff of water as the atlantic. If I remember right warlock and lavey were right there in any F1 rough water race. Advantage dominated F2 from the start until the owners died.
Mine was already very well balanced and rode great but extension boxes make the boat ride like a 32. It flies dead level no matter what you go through.
There are plenty of east coast boats that come back from lake MI with plenty of things to fix. Allot of them cant take the pounding and have interior parts dangling and loose screws when they come back in. I have never tightened a loose screw, but likely won't have to since everything is through bolted with nyloc nuts. I did have a cabin door break the hinges then crack the door once.
I would'nt say all are lake boats, considering there is a big ocean there with just as ruff of water as the atlantic. If I remember right warlock and lavey were right there in any F1 rough water race. Advantage dominated F2 from the start until the owners died.
07-24-2008, 12:34 AM
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First you have to realize that the salt water buoyancy is so much different pounding in the ocean than the buoyancy of fresh water. It is alot rougher on the boat. The Advantage race boat was not laid up like a boat they sell off the floor. Neither is Lavey Craft's. Go find a Warlock, they made such a great boat their not even in business anymore! The east coast has been building offshore boats for a long time and has got it down. The west coast manufactures have only recently within the last few years gotten into the offshore market. Go back a few years in Powerboat or HotBoat and you will see what I am talking about. Running your Advantage in a lake with rough water is still not like running it in ocean water. Doesn't even come close!
Now you are just talking crap. The great lakes can dish up just as nasty of a sea state as the ocean. And for the bouyancy factor, please.....
Secondly, your going to try to say that every east coast race boat is the exact layup as a customers pleasure boat? Dude, put the pipe down. That's just nonsence. I'm still not sure where the west coast chip on the shoulder comes from.
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07-24-2008, 12:48 AM
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Now you are just talking crap. The great lakes can dish up just as nasty of a sea state as the ocean. And for the bouyancy factor, please.....
Secondly, your going to try to say that every east coast race boat is the exact layup as a customers pleasure boat? Dude, put the pipe down. That's just nonsence. I'm still not sure where the west coast chip on the shoulder comes from.
Darrell.
Secondly, your going to try to say that every east coast race boat is the exact layup as a customers pleasure boat? Dude, put the pipe down. That's just nonsence. I'm still not sure where the west coast chip on the shoulder comes from.
Darrell.
Yes, the Great Lakes can deal up some nasty $hit but it is still not salt water. But if you still don't understand the bouyancy factor, now I see where the lack of knowledge comes from. Stay off the pipe!
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07-24-2008, 01:41 AM
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You were talking about race boats. Reread your own post #42. As far comparing race boats to pleasure boats, Todd was comparing his pleasure boat to other pleasure boats. I still can't understand where all of the west coast negativity comes from. But hey, it's your choice to hate. Just be fair, and let others know before you give an opinion on a left coast boat.
Darrell.
07-24-2008, 02:59 AM
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07-24-2008, 08:22 AM
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There are only two things different in the layup:
1. vacuum bagging, optional on the pleasure
2. two additional bulk heads in the cabin.
Mine is bagged, that is one nice thing about them. They sell exactly what they raced. Not to mention there F2 boat still had a half cabin. The one that ran great lakes silver cup series had a cabin.
Look back at allot of the old apache vids...several were from grand haven, MI. There was a race here that still holds the record for sinking the most boats in one race. I would bet you have never once ran the great lakes. (on a ruff day, which is almost everyday)
1. vacuum bagging, optional on the pleasure
2. two additional bulk heads in the cabin.
Mine is bagged, that is one nice thing about them. They sell exactly what they raced. Not to mention there F2 boat still had a half cabin. The one that ran great lakes silver cup series had a cabin.
Look back at allot of the old apache vids...several were from grand haven, MI. There was a race here that still holds the record for sinking the most boats in one race. I would bet you have never once ran the great lakes. (on a ruff day, which is almost everyday)
07-24-2008, 10:12 AM
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Even with all the disageements, the only 2 names I have heard consistantly are Laveycraft and Warlock. Just found out that they have both raced offshore as well. Thanks guys for the input. Anyone else?
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07-24-2008, 10:21 AM
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quality boats are E-Ticket, DCB, Eliminator, Lavey, Nordic, howard in that order. As to ruff water rides..can not comment.
