Originally Posted by mrfixxall

watch this video,,i like the toyota but just not for hauling anything heavy..pay close attension to the bed movement..kinda scary eh! all that weight your towing i woulf think again..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJZVUnOduH4

Originally Posted by Too Stroked

Every single manufacturer has video(s) like that one that purport to show their vehicle to be the best. Oddly enough, they don't show you the tests that their vehicle failed to do better than the other brands.

A friend of a friend stopped by one day with a brand new Chevy with dealer plates on it. (He owned a Ford.) He then proceeded to tell me how the Chevy salesman had showed him a video that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Ford was junk and the Chevy was the best. I called a friend of mine who owns a Ford dealer and asked him to cue up the Ford video since I was sending this guy right over. Man, did that lead to some head scratching. And you wouldn't believe how many folks fall for them.

What you might want to do it stop at a GM, then Ford, Then Dodge, the Toyota dealer and ask to see their videos. What you'll find is that no vehicle is perfect. They all have their individual strong and weak points. And after all, if one was perfect, would anybody buy anything else?

Originally Posted by the deep

All of what you say here is absolutely true but for some reason i still remain loyal when buying a vehicle . I own a Cadillac CTS and a Dodge SLT truck but oddly enough i never applied my loyalties to motorcycles as i have a Yamaha Raider S . I tend not to follow the herd there as Harley Davidsons are extremely expensive for the amount of bike you get . I know this is another big can of worms !!

Originally Posted by 4bus

After all that you ride a jap bike, drive a Mexican dodge? Is your cts the later American built or the one made in Europe by Opel? Do you even know?

Wtf

Originally Posted by 4bus

Those buildings are empty because of corporate greed. The big three starting cutting quality for bigger profits, the UAW asked for a bigger portion of those profits (as they should have) suddenly they couldn't afford the overhead they created and starting selling us JUNK!

This argument always starts the same way. Someone calls the best truck I have ever owned jap scrap, even though they never have owned one, and they refuse to admit that American car engineering got cheap the last 3 decades while everyone improved.

1. I got burned on many big 3 cars and trucks
2. I see a difference in quality on everything outside of the big 3, just by opening and closing the door
3. I don't car what you drive, however a few uninformed seem to attack what I drive, which in turn makes me attack back (it's so easy)
4. It's my money, I am going to use it for beat value
5. My truck is the most American truck you can buy, tied with Ford. I don't care how many jobs Toyota created in the USA, I just know my vehicle was built by American wokers in Texas and Tennessee.

We used to be the best at making everything. We didn't care about "being fair" we didn't whine over competition, we just kicked azz. I am so sick of hearing about it, if they can do it we should be able to do it better. And only recently have we seem improvement in areas of quality from the big 3, because they have lost so much market share by selling an inferior product based on a name that was built building years of quality product, that is quite the okie doke!

Originally Posted by 4bus

After all that you ride a jap bike, drive a Mexican dodge? Is your cts the later American built or the one made in Europe by Opel? Do you even know?

Wtf

Originally Posted by the deep

Nuff said .

Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL

Originally Posted by 4bus

Highlights

Almost all of these cars and trucks listed were purchased new

1990 Toyo winter rat was when I started thinking, hey...this thing doesn't break. Brakes at 180k miles, tune up at 220k, Nothing else!

1996 trans am ws6 was my first GM lemon, that car broke everything

1996 dodge stealth RT twin turbo was amazing quality, I was so happy to find such a great American car only to find out it was not American

1997 Geo prisim, needed to upgrade the 1990 toyo winter rat, so with with a Geo cause I thought it was the same car as the corolla but was 4k cheaper sticker. At 40k miles everything GM on the car was shot, brakes twice, shocks and struts gone, radio stopped working, traded off, terrible, lesson learned

1998 S-10 blazer, purchased for everyday use and winter, do I really have to tell you the problems here? That truck needed everything, so much my dealer turned me on to GM buying it back, and they got it done.

2000, Sebring, 2001 Durango, 2002 Ram, turned to dodge after some bad luck with GM, found worse than GM! The sebring threw a rod 4 k miles out of warranty and dodge said FU. The Durango lost a transmission at 50k, then a front diff at 55k, and rusted quickly, the 2002 Ram I had for 6 months, rusted at seams after one winter. Drove my friends new duramx and had to have one, Got out of Dodge!

2002 Duramax, crew, leather, everything. Let me just say I loved this truck, loved it! Until, first injector dropped at 18k, then 22k, then 28k, they 34k, then 36k then 40k dealer told me it needed all new injectors cause I must have got bad fuel, $8000 job! Called insurance company, they went down and sampled fuel and found nothing wrong, insurance guy told me they are know for injector problems and people are getting ready to sue. A truck with a $48k sticker I was told to pound salt. I purchased bully dog injectors, and fuel filter system. In 2005 the class action law suit was won by the people and I was sent a letter stating my repairs would be reimbursed and 200k warranty, they declined money because I did not repair at GM dealer and voided my warranty because I put aftermarket injectors in it. I sent them a cop of the sales agreement on my new FORD. Also replaced a lot of other parts on my GM, rear caliper problems severe, u joints, BCM, TCM, security system twice, heated seats, all four window regulators.

Ford 6.0, I think we have covered that

The Denali was also disappointing to say the least, big expensive fixes too

The Lincoln is holding up great! Wife wants a new Navigator or Cayenne next


My ownership experience, coupled with the fact that I have worked in industry that supports auto repair gives me more than enough experience to make my own decisions. You simple minded uaw guys can tell yourselves whatever you need to hear to make you feel better about the substandard product that you have put out, if marketing and brainwashing is what is going around the break room at your plant that go with it if you sleep better at night. Bottom line, you lost a customer.

Originally Posted by 4bus

After all that you ride a jap bike, drive a Mexican dodge? Is your cts the later American built or the one made in Europe by Opel? Do you even know?

Wtf