2015 Don Aronow Around Long Island Memorial Marathon
11-12-2014, 03:15 PM
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The Around Long Island race originated in 1959.
It was won that year by a 17 foot Hunter with 1/70 HP outboard in 8:30 and averaged 43.2 MPH for the 280 miles
1960 saw a twin engine Powercat with 2/80 HP outboards win in 6:00 flat averaging 46.7 MPH
1961 saw a 31 foot Bertram with 2/330 inboards complete the 280 miles in 6:22 averaging 44MPH
1962 saw a 19 foot Glastron with 2/100HP Volvo sterndrive complete the 258.8 mi course in 6:02 at 42.9 MPH
1963 saw a 19 foot Eltro with 2/100 Merc outboards cover the 240 mile course in 5:26 at 44.2 MPH
1964 saw a 25 foot Bertram with 2/310 Merc sterndrives cover the 245 miles in 5:06 at 58 MPH(Odell)
1965 saw a 20 foot Owens with 1/225 Merc sterndrive cover the 234 miles in 7:45 at 30.2 MPH
1966 saw a 28 Donzi with 2/530 Holman & Moodys cover the 253 miles in 4:42 at 53.8 MPH. (Brownie)
1967 saw a 28 foot Formula with 1/450 Merc sterndrive cover 253 miles in 5:23 at 47 MPH
1968 saw a 31 foot Bertram with 2/475 Merc sterndrives cover 253 miles in 3:59 at 63.5 MPH (Sirois & Kiekhaefer
1969 saw a 31 foot Bertram with 2/475 Merc sterndrives cover the 222.5 miles in 4:33 at 48.9 MPH
1970 the race was moved to Point Pleasant NJ and run at a distance of 198 miles
As history bears out, the fastest boats usually don't finish ...........and the smaller less powerful boats usually have a chance at the overall win!
It was won that year by a 17 foot Hunter with 1/70 HP outboard in 8:30 and averaged 43.2 MPH for the 280 miles
1960 saw a twin engine Powercat with 2/80 HP outboards win in 6:00 flat averaging 46.7 MPH
1961 saw a 31 foot Bertram with 2/330 inboards complete the 280 miles in 6:22 averaging 44MPH
1962 saw a 19 foot Glastron with 2/100HP Volvo sterndrive complete the 258.8 mi course in 6:02 at 42.9 MPH
1963 saw a 19 foot Eltro with 2/100 Merc outboards cover the 240 mile course in 5:26 at 44.2 MPH
1964 saw a 25 foot Bertram with 2/310 Merc sterndrives cover the 245 miles in 5:06 at 58 MPH(Odell)
1965 saw a 20 foot Owens with 1/225 Merc sterndrive cover the 234 miles in 7:45 at 30.2 MPH
1966 saw a 28 Donzi with 2/530 Holman & Moodys cover the 253 miles in 4:42 at 53.8 MPH. (Brownie)
1967 saw a 28 foot Formula with 1/450 Merc sterndrive cover 253 miles in 5:23 at 47 MPH
1968 saw a 31 foot Bertram with 2/475 Merc sterndrives cover 253 miles in 3:59 at 63.5 MPH (Sirois & Kiekhaefer
1969 saw a 31 foot Bertram with 2/475 Merc sterndrives cover the 222.5 miles in 4:33 at 48.9 MPH
1970 the race was moved to Point Pleasant NJ and run at a distance of 198 miles
As history bears out, the fastest boats usually don't finish ...........and the smaller less powerful boats usually have a chance at the overall win!
Last edited by Top Banana; 11-12-2014 at 03:19 PM.
11-12-2014, 03:37 PM
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The point of my post before this one....... is to show the many offshore fans that the reality of open ocean offshore racing .......is that over a long distance, the ocean evens out the playing field.
There is another thread that shows speeds from the last race this past Sunday at Key West where the water was a little rougher than usual, not really rough, but rougher than usual...here are the speeds
Miss Geico....81 MPH
CMS..............79 MPH
Lucas Vee.....75 MPH
Broadco........80 MPH
Stihl...............82 MPH
Twisted Mtl....80 MPH
Hooters.........79 MPH
So even with the big difference in both horsepower and hull design, the boats averaged within a few MPH. Now take those same boats and .............stretch them over a 271 mile course that can be calm and rough, you can understand why so many less powered and smaller boats did so well in this race.
There is another thread that shows speeds from the last race this past Sunday at Key West where the water was a little rougher than usual, not really rough, but rougher than usual...here are the speeds
Miss Geico....81 MPH
CMS..............79 MPH
Lucas Vee.....75 MPH
Broadco........80 MPH
Stihl...............82 MPH
Twisted Mtl....80 MPH
Hooters.........79 MPH
So even with the big difference in both horsepower and hull design, the boats averaged within a few MPH. Now take those same boats and .............stretch them over a 271 mile course that can be calm and rough, you can understand why so many less powered and smaller boats did so well in this race.
11-12-2014, 05:26 PM
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After looking over the UIM website, I see they have ten classes.
We are not going to do that! One model we are looking at is by boat length.
Class A 42 feet to 50 feet three or more engines
Class B 30 feet to 41 feet two engines
Class C 25 feet to 33 feet two engines
Class D 18 feet to 29 feet single or twin engines / Small boat class
Class H Historic / Open and Production class categories
Any boat can elect to run in a higher class.
We have to decide on how old a Historic boat is.
We are considering a 30 minute time advantage to Class D + H for the start....However all boats run against the same elapsed time clock.
Answer to the question of having a 43 foot boat with just two engines. You will then be placed by boat length. Trying to allow some of the 47 foot Apaches that have gone from three to two engines.
Turbines would run in the top class against the three engine boats.
We are not going to do that! One model we are looking at is by boat length.
Class A 42 feet to 50 feet three or more engines
Class B 30 feet to 41 feet two engines
Class C 25 feet to 33 feet two engines
Class D 18 feet to 29 feet single or twin engines / Small boat class
Class H Historic / Open and Production class categories
Any boat can elect to run in a higher class.
We have to decide on how old a Historic boat is.
We are considering a 30 minute time advantage to Class D + H for the start....However all boats run against the same elapsed time clock.
Answer to the question of having a 43 foot boat with just two engines. You will then be placed by boat length. Trying to allow some of the 47 foot Apaches that have gone from three to two engines.
Turbines would run in the top class against the three engine boats.
Class A 43 to 55 feet - Unlimited engines - Turbines, up to Five Outboards, Three plus sterndrives
Class B 30 to 42 feet - Twin engines - up to Four Outboards
Class C 25 to 29 feet - Twin engines - up to Three outboards
Class D 18 to 24 feet - Simgle or twin sterndrives up to Two Outboards
Class H Historic. Any boats 20 years or older
Historic same as Open and Production classes of the past.
With over ten thousand views of this thread in two weeks, I think there is a group of offshore boaters out there, who are not thrilled with poker runs or the current style of off shore racing.
Very much like the racers of the past that started this sport. They are looking for a real challenge. Navigating, preparation, discipline, and a will to endure through whatever may come and try to discourage them.
These are the stars of offshore of the future. Somewhere out there is a modern Aronow or Brownie or Gentry. They have always been there but never had the opportunity to match their skills with a sport they could excel in.
Is that person you? OK now that you know,who you are.....what are you going to do about it? Write to me and we will help you in any way we can.
Last edited by Top Banana; 11-12-2014 at 05:38 PM.
11-12-2014, 08:09 PM
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The point of my post before this one....... is to show the many offshore fans that the reality of open ocean offshore racing .......is that over a long distance, the ocean evens out the playing field.
There is another thread that shows speeds from the last race this past Sunday at Key West where the water was a little rougher than usual, not really rough, but rougher than usual...here are the speeds
Miss Geico....81 MPH
CMS..............79 MPH
Lucas Vee.....75 MPH
Broadco........80 MPH
Stihl...............82 MPH
Twisted Mtl....80 MPH
Hooters.........79 MPH
So even with the big difference in both horsepower and hull design, the boats averaged within a few MPH. Now take those same boats and .............stretch them over a 271 mile course that can be calm and rough, you can understand why so many less powered and smaller boats did so well in this race.
There is another thread that shows speeds from the last race this past Sunday at Key West where the water was a little rougher than usual, not really rough, but rougher than usual...here are the speeds
Miss Geico....81 MPH
CMS..............79 MPH
Lucas Vee.....75 MPH
Broadco........80 MPH
Stihl...............82 MPH
Twisted Mtl....80 MPH
Hooters.........79 MPH
So even with the big difference in both horsepower and hull design, the boats averaged within a few MPH. Now take those same boats and .............stretch them over a 271 mile course that can be calm and rough, you can understand why so many less powered and smaller boats did so well in this race.
im a numbers guy...the reality is the greater the participation, the less likely everyone will be breaking down before the finish line. to employ a survival of the fittest mentality is useless especially when there are 10 or more boats. Add to the fact, that the boat you are in has to live too...you almost have a better chance winning the lottery. sorry for the pessimism but numbers dont lie. the only way to truly give yourself an advantage in this race is with length, horespower, and speed. ill give you an example....
say there are 10 boats. 9 are fast and 1 is slow. lets give all 9 fast boats a 20% chance of finishing. that means out of 5 races, it will finish 1. now do a read across of all 9 boats. what are the chances of all 9 boats breaking down on the same day if they all have a 20% chance of finishing? i calculated 0.13%. i rather stay on land.
11-12-2014, 08:35 PM
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im a numbers guy...the reality is the greater the participation, the less likely everyone will be breaking down before the finish line. to employ a survival of the fittest mentality is useless especially when there are 10 or more boats. Add to the fact, that the boat you are in has to live too...you almost have a better chance winning the lottery. sorry for the pessimism but numbers dont lie. the only way to truly give yourself an advantage in this race is with length, horespower, and speed. ill give you an example....
say there are 10 boats. 9 are fast and 1 is slow. lets give all 9 fast boats a 20% chance of finishing. that means out of 5 races, it will finish 1. now do a read across of all 9 boats. what are the chances of all 9 boats breaking down on the same day if they all have a 20% chance of finishing? i calculated 0.13%. i rather stay on land.
say there are 10 boats. 9 are fast and 1 is slow. lets give all 9 fast boats a 20% chance of finishing. that means out of 5 races, it will finish 1. now do a read across of all 9 boats. what are the chances of all 9 boats breaking down on the same day if they all have a 20% chance of finishing? i calculated 0.13%. i rather stay on land.
11-12-2014, 08:44 PM
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Here is a breakdown for the numbers guy......
Year of race / total entrants / total finishers
1959 / 29 / 20
1960 / 42 / 19
1961 / 24 / 7
1962 / 21 / 15
1963 / 27 / 19
1964 / 22 / 15
1965 / 26 / 6
1966 / 21 / 13
1967 / 36 / 14
1968 / 23 / 19
1969 / 11 / 7
Here are the facts to go along with the statistics shown earlier.
However, whatever the odds, even if they ended up to be a 1,000 to 1..........a racer would go and believe that he was going to win. He would never say........I would rather stay on land! It can't be explained, it can't be reached by logic or math, it is just the way it is.
Come off the beach and join the fun and see what happens to the numbers when the ocean gets involved.
Year of race / total entrants / total finishers
1959 / 29 / 20
1960 / 42 / 19
1961 / 24 / 7
1962 / 21 / 15
1963 / 27 / 19
1964 / 22 / 15
1965 / 26 / 6
1966 / 21 / 13
1967 / 36 / 14
1968 / 23 / 19
1969 / 11 / 7
Here are the facts to go along with the statistics shown earlier.
However, whatever the odds, even if they ended up to be a 1,000 to 1..........a racer would go and believe that he was going to win. He would never say........I would rather stay on land! It can't be explained, it can't be reached by logic or math, it is just the way it is.
Come off the beach and join the fun and see what happens to the numbers when the ocean gets involved.
11-12-2014, 09:40 PM
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Here is a breakdown for the numbers guy......
Year of race / total entrants / total finishers
1959 / 29 / 20
1960 / 42 / 19
1961 / 24 / 7
1962 / 21 / 15
1963 / 27 / 19
1964 / 22 / 15
1965 / 26 / 6
1966 / 21 / 13
1967 / 36 / 14
1968 / 23 / 19
1969 / 11 / 7
Here are the facts to go along with the statistics shown earlier.
However, whatever the odds, even if they ended up to be a 1,000 to 1..........a racer would go and believe that he was going to win. He would never say........I would rather stay on land! It can't be explained, it can't be reached by logic or math, it is just the way it is.
Come off the beach and join the fun and see what happens to the numbers when the ocean gets involved.
Year of race / total entrants / total finishers
1959 / 29 / 20
1960 / 42 / 19
1961 / 24 / 7
1962 / 21 / 15
1963 / 27 / 19
1964 / 22 / 15
1965 / 26 / 6
1966 / 21 / 13
1967 / 36 / 14
1968 / 23 / 19
1969 / 11 / 7
Here are the facts to go along with the statistics shown earlier.
However, whatever the odds, even if they ended up to be a 1,000 to 1..........a racer would go and believe that he was going to win. He would never say........I would rather stay on land! It can't be explained, it can't be reached by logic or math, it is just the way it is.
Come off the beach and join the fun and see what happens to the numbers when the ocean gets involved.
