Eggbeaters, anyone?
 

We are discussing a triple engine 37 with 300 Mercs and a huge cockpit with 4 electric bolsters and a rear 3-person back seat for the Miami Show.

320 Gals of fuel. Simple but usable cabin with enclosed electric head and shower. BIG icebox and lotsa seating. optional AC to plug in at the dock in Bimini.

Opinions/ ideas/ takers?

Call me!

Pat

Call me tomorrow anytime on the cell, 954-658-4972.

So what do you think about an offshore monster like I described?

It will go anywhere in any any water, FAST!

In my OPINION that will not be a good show boat because it is not main stream enough. People want to see 525EFI's and 700SCI's in today’s market. I am a big fan of Verados but they are for CC's. Now if you want to build a 37 AVH CC, which is an idea and a hot market. Plus I have already told you that I want to build a show boat! :) Bryan is going to sell mine in Destin this weekend anyway!

Thats my .02. You asked...

I totally agree with Clark on the "not being a show boat"
I also do not see where you can use the word "fast" with that design idea. 3 eggbeaters will be right at a 1902#s and a pair of 525's/drives are 2400-2500#s and only working in the basic low 81-82 range without high dollar prop testing and exotic pricey props to get the higher and exciting speeds from what I've been involved with.
Reggie with his light boats and your neighbor down the street at Midnight with his heavy boat can't get them to run fast with triples or even quads.
But with a B-bracket/JackPlate you can at least adjust the X-deminsion. oops..sorry
BUT what I really feel will be a possible new market is a sportboat like the 28 Concept with that nostalgic Miami Vice appeal.
So build a 28AT with some BadBoy eggbeaters. Now that would be a FAST FAST boat!!! And a tough one for any type water. And the weight and the balance of that length and weight boat would probably work better because of the shorter arm.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it!!:D :D

I have to agree. A 28 Savage with a bracket, no transom well and a small sun pad area at the stern is the way to go. Hang twin opti's or Verado's and you will have a nice compliment to the stern drive boat!

egg beaters on a active thunder :angry-smiley-055: naaaaa

thats just my 02

Don't do it. The lines of the AT's are awsome and slapping O/B on them just aint right.

you tried a 28 CC already didn't you? What about a 33 with something like MM is talking about? It is a little lighter

Didn't you build a 32AT once for a guy in Texas with outboards?
If so how did it perform?
I have always liked the 28s your boy Jay built with O.B.s

I would think it would have a market, albeit limited, in costal areas. I would make the move from stern drive to OB if I boated in salt water and having an offshore offering that wasn't a CC would be of interest to me.

AT,

How would you solve the balance issue on an outboard 37 vs. a I/O 37?

No, to the OB's, Show Boat = Staggered 850's ,NXT1 Drives, 5-Blade Cleavers, diamond plated engine compartment, with the mirror's, roomier cockpit, for optional row of bolsters, 6' head and galley area. Always been a fan of the American Flag look, bet AT can do it better than the beakers can. Is that dirty enough for ya MM? Now to just pick the right 6-#'s for tonights lottery.

Nope, no V bottom Active Thunder with outboards. Bring back the 32' Active Cat with triple 300 XS's and you'll have a cool outboard boat!!

I would love a 33 with o/b.Just have to get a killer sound system to blast the sound of a big block though. Some day I want to go back to outboards. Been eyeing the 30 closed deck model of a cc.
still enjoying my "little" 25 for now.:D

The fuel tanks get moved farther back and enlarged; as well as two additional in the gunwales.

We are talking about three rows of electric bolster seating, for a school bus seating arrangement for the ultimate Poker Run experience.
:party-smiley-020:

I could see a potential market. NOMOGOFST'S channel is only 2' feet deep at times to his waterfront home in Hudson. He moved to a CC/OB boat so he could go in and out at anytime.

Hey Brian,

You got it! Went from 32" draft to 24", 14" on plane,and the boat will actually idle forever w/o coughing and choking. Rather safe than sorry. Sacrifice speed for $$$$$.

Ask Docman about the idle out of the channel (45 mins.)

On a side note: http://www.collegehumor.com/picture:5400

Matt

Oh be quiet up there.......

And those molds are GONE!

How about taking the 25 mold and modify it for an O/B . Hang a bracket off the back and a single 300 Verado or Opti. Your probably not going to use thodse molds anymore anyway. I think the market exists for a large single O/B closed deck and you could call it a 25' or a 27'.

Those molds are gone also. There is an OB boat for sale in the classies

There is an thunder 25 with O/B's (livorsi's old boat) and there once was a 32 rigged for outboards, People up north *****ed about the set up so much that it was converted to bravo's without ever running it or mounting outboards to the bracket. Cut the deck off a 28' and make it a center console that what people want with 2 verado's or yamahas.

Mark, when you figure out how to use your blunt tip scissors to cut fiberglass mat, stop eating the Elmers glue, and actually try to stick stuff together; and figure out that you can't actually use your bathtub to lay up a boat, MAYBE we'll let you make suggestions on how to build an Active Thunder. Also, you can't use a turkey baster and Saran wrap for vacuum bagging.

:D :angry-smiley-044: :drink:

There are INFINITE OPTIONS when it comes to moving things around. You don't just change the center of gravity. You have to distribute the weight. Multiple tank options and the ability to transfer fuel like in they did in the golden days of offshore are answers to these configuration issues.

BTW, the 25' V and 32' V and 32' Cat molds have all been sold.

Who knows where the market is going, but there is the potential for anything.

I would be intersted in a 33 with outboards!!!!

IS the 25 with twins still for sale? How did that boat run compared to the same powered i/o

I think a 37 w/ a covergirl type cabin(or no cabin), multiple fuel tanks for balance, and 525s would be sweet for a show boat!
A simple no frills go fast, w/ less weight and less to break.
Show'em AT can build'em mean and lean too!

You have to lay the thing up completely, THEN turn the jets on to get it to release from the mold!

It''s not a problem.

The 32 I built back in about 2000 had a pair of Merc 250s and ran 68ish.

THe 33 gains 12% just from hull effeciency and now you have 300+ hp engines available with a lot more torque. Add a very nice sized cockpit gain and still a great cabin and you have a winner despite what anybody says about I/Os being the only way to go.

Plus you make the noise police happier! :D

Sounds like 80 MPH on the 33 with twin Stroker 3.2 300's!!!

You know what, the more I think about it....a new 33 A/T with and extended cockpit and a couple of the new Yamaha
350 V-8's would be a pretty cool south FL style boat!! Make it a mid cabin with an open bow and Pat, you would have one versatile people hauler/party barge!!!! I would imagine building the bowrider would not be that difficult........

Are you kidding me? An OPENBOW discussion in the AT forum. WAY too much Sunsation on the brain.

Active-Daycruiser-Boats.com; I can see it now. :throw:

I think Verados sound very practical.

I am certainly getting sick of the very high cost of service because of twin engines buried in a tight engine compartment, to say nothing of the simply endless string of weak links due to putting car engine iron in a marine environment and hooking up through a problematic outdrive. Mercruiser may be the best on the market, but if your car had the same service needs as a mercruiser I/O, your car company would be ancient history.

The Verado package, designed from the beginning for its actual application, sure seems a winner. I've run Mercury 2-strokes to death over the decades, and while they were not reliable by today's car standards, they were never hard to isolate the problem or perform the fix. I am hoping that Verados will be more like today's expected reliability than we get from Mercruisers.

Also, getting the engines out of the boat for more room, and more safety -- fumes don't fill up the bilges, and a fire is outside the hull.

And when it comes time to replace the engines: about 4 bolts per side. I can't see a down side.

Speed? Get rid of some weight. Fuel costs are putting a big dent in the market and in the fun already. Might as well build boats that are fast and fun with 600 HP instead of requiring 1500. HP equals fuel flow, pure and simple.

And I can't see how the huge difference in rigging costs can't help drop the price and increase sales.

Open bows, eggbeaters , mid cabins, no dont do it the a/t is a true offshore top performer, dont beccme a sunny or a mid west style boat leave perfection alone.

thats my 2 cents

Pat: Have you become a 'Born Again"
I love the fact (and you) that you are becoming practical with this O.B. idea.
When we get our age we start getting practicle and remebering the simpler past and things work just fine before being over complicated.
These four strokes are so reliable and tough. Clark and I can voulch for that!
No stinking bow-riders!!..ya know what they say..."It's a WHOLE nother world once you pass the jetties"
I would think you can enlarge(I love that word) the cockpit with out putting the rear bench or standups against the transom and use part of the old engine compartment as some type or combination of cool storage or bar or fish box/ice box coolers. One neat thing about the new 4-strokes not having the loud rumble and being so quite is you can sneak up on people with their loud I.B.s and kick their azz before they know what happened.
Doing all this at 1.6 to 2+ mpg mileage. So Sweeet!!
Any size from 28 up will work but still would like to see a center console with a cuddy.
A 37 would be a nice similar but smaller version of a Smith 42.:signs069: :D :D

I like the idea of the 33 with o/b's. But what do I know? I have to come here to find out what's going on!!!!!!!!!!:signs069:

What would my 96 run with twin 300 on it. Said it once I would be interested in a new 33 with outboards :):D

I take trades! Calll me or PM me a phone number if you want to talk anytime.

Pat
954-658-4972

As much as I hate clamp-ons I think a 33 with a huge cockpit would be interesting,but please leave the37 alone:D

I'll call you tomorrow Pat

Pat, now I know were you guys came up with this vision.
I ran into your illegitimate brother Sullivan and that 38 of his is a nice conversion. And basic white made that thing look huge! Sort of like that mid 30 something Sunseeker with O.B.s.