I didn't watch the whole video; is there footage of a Cigarette in there?

i believe we are crossing over conversations; with a video of a race posted in a topic that was about pleasure boats.

I would personally run a race prepped boat differently than a pleasure boat.
When they put the first seat belts in cars, it didn't make them safer. It made the drivers go faster and take more risks because the felt safer. The same goes for all the preparations put into a race boat.

Cigarette makes fine machines. However, their lawyers more than likely "made" that sticker.

"Now, I know that was the ONLY staggered 37 AT ever made......is that because you actually took your own advice and fixed a bad hull design so this wouldn't happen again? Or is it still the same design minus the stagger? IMO, it was a good hull design, with an inexperienced driver......just like most other spin outs."

I don't think the stagger was the issue but it could have contributed to it. If it wasn't staggered could they have recovered the turn? I really don't know. However based on witnesses, alcohol and a bad choice seems to be the major contributing factors, I will say I have spent quite a bit of time working with the bottoms of my boats to make them as safe as possible but also with the best efficiency increases. I feel right now step placement in both the 33 and 37 is right where it needs to be, Next up will be the 29 later this year.

A little know fact: Every boat is flipped upside down (on purpose) and blue-printed before it ever hits the water. That is how dedicated we are to make sure things are right.

As far as a decal on the dash, if there ever is an issue based on poor hull design or placement of the CG, the sticker isn't going to do squat in court if there are severe injuries or worse.

Hope this enlightens you a little on my thoughts and how we build the boat.

Based on the history of certain boats, correcting what might be a known issue seems in order. However if you have a dedicated mold without any chance to make adjustments to I can see why you would stay status quo. I would dare say that reducing ALL weight in the front of the boat would certainly help with the boat swapping ends. That is reason enough for a no-stagger 37.

Pat maybe you comment on the 37 Active Thunder (staggard boat) that spun out in Branford CT a few years back. As I remember the witnesses on the beach said the boat came in the river at speed and made a turn as it was starting to slow and it hooked and spun throwing all the passangers in to the water. Correct me where I am wrong and give us all some insight was this boat a" best guess" design. There must have been a reason that AT has not kept producing the staggard design.

The 37 stagger AT had 1/2 a dozen owners or so, over 10 years or so. It spun one time, ~10 years after it was built; (while full of booze) and boom, it's now a turd?

Someone is reaching. You can spin a newer model AT out. I can tell you how to do it; but you are going to have to work REALLY hard to make it happen--setting the boat up completely atypical to any normal running condition requirements. I had to turn my personal 37' so hard while navigating the "S-turns" on Smith Mountain Lake several years ago, that I put the rub rail in the water and my auto bilge came on when I straightened out (I had a PWC cut directly in front of me while I was running around 50mph).

But, nah; they can't turn.

The guy who designed and patented the bottom of the AT; did so with step, transom, and outdrive placement in mind--for handling and efficiency. I invite ANYONE to come down to Pompano; and Pat or I will walk you a few doors over to his "laboratory" and introduce you to him so you can bounce your advanced turning theories off of him directly.

PS; make sure you bring note taking materials, and plan to stay for happy hour.

I have to say I mirror what Kreed stated about being an AT fan. Nice looking boats Pat and you seem to have a nice loyal following. I have always said AT would be on a short list if I was to build a new boat. I feel AT fills a void that Cigarette and other manufactures have left out. For me that market is a 90mph boat with a full cabin stock power and Bravos, this keeps the price down. I have to say to me it is a turn off watching another manufacture try to exploit an accident for gain. How many T/S Cigs have been built and spun out vs. AT? Those in glass house should not throw stones. Unless Pat with all the experience you have can tell us what exactly is the design flaw with one of the best selling boats??

We keep the $hitter full on the AT to help with that.

I'm not exploiting another manufacturer. Simply asked a stupid question. I kept this in the AT forum as 'a little poking fun' thread. It actually became informative and interesting when the kid that recently graduated with a degree came on board for a few days.

As far as glass houses, we have had 3 rollovers. 2 were with factory people at the helm. I don't hide from the truth, I know exactly what happened in 2 of the 3 events first hand. The stagger boat I only know what I saw here on OSO and second hand from one person who claims he saw it. Now how many of the other boats?

If I know of any issues I correct them immediately. And beyond problems am always trying to improve the boats from something as simple as hardware to whatever I hear the people want to see in a boat.

[QUOTE=Sydwayz;3933141]The 37 stagger AT had 1/2 a dozen owners or so, over 10 years or so. It spun one time, ~10 years after it was built; (while full of booze) and boom, it's now a turd?

Someone is reaching. You can spin a newer model AT out



I never said it was a turd....only one on here that mentions it and that is you! ........I was actually interested in buying the boat. I liked it then, and Id still buy it now. And I belive your right, lawyers put that sticker in alot of boats....including Cigs. I was just surprised that a company owner would start a "just poking fun" thread knowing that behind every joke is a certain amount of belief in the joke! So maybe, Pat has something against Cigarette, who knows....but if he really was "poking fun" because of a spin out, then I hate to see his "Outerlimits fun thread"! LOL.....This post is it for me guys, its been fun. Hope to meet you some day for a coctail in FLA.

I guess you missed this PowerBoat Magazine ad.

22' and 42'? I've never seen either of those.