Stupid question.
05-27-2013 | 06:31 PM
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You would be interested to know after 13 years of building this boat and also mentioning we use an insert in a V-bottom mold, we have seen every effect you can have on the aft running surface.
We do things completely different if we are going over the "90" or "100" mark. Pretty much a zero angle of attack and these adjustments are what make it handle. Also we have changed the trailing edge of the forward running surface miniscule amounts and seen major changes it attitude.
Unfortunately you just can't spend that many years on theories and math with a known end result in the class room. Or for that matter in a test tank.
My point to the original post is if there is a known issue why isn't it fixed instead of a sticker warning you to "hang on, you're about to go swimming".
One thing to think about as my theory: The more times the water reattaches it self to the bottom of the boat (each step) the more resistance and confusion it creates. In a turn we only have the re-attachment at the transom. With a multi-step boat we have multiple re-attachements.
Curious as to your opinion on this.
We do things completely different if we are going over the "90" or "100" mark. Pretty much a zero angle of attack and these adjustments are what make it handle. Also we have changed the trailing edge of the forward running surface miniscule amounts and seen major changes it attitude.
Unfortunately you just can't spend that many years on theories and math with a known end result in the class room. Or for that matter in a test tank.
My point to the original post is if there is a known issue why isn't it fixed instead of a sticker warning you to "hang on, you're about to go swimming".
One thing to think about as my theory: The more times the water reattaches it self to the bottom of the boat (each step) the more resistance and confusion it creates. In a turn we only have the re-attachment at the transom. With a multi-step boat we have multiple re-attachements.
Curious as to your opinion on this.
05-28-2013 | 07:13 AM
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Umm...this thread popped into my mind when I saw THIS one in General Discussion: http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...-one-hurt.html
Wonder if there was a sticker on the boat?
Wonder if there was a sticker on the boat?
05-28-2013 | 07:36 AM
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Umm...this thread popped into my mind when I saw THIS one in General Discussion: http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/g...-one-hurt.html
Wonder if there was a sticker on the boat?
Wonder if there was a sticker on the boat?
05-29-2013 | 07:04 AM
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05-19-2013, 11:57 AM#1
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My Boats: : 32 Cobra Raceboat, 27 Avanti Raceboat 27 Kryptonite RaceboatJoin Date: Aug 2004Location: Lake GeorgePosts: 10,201Feedback Score: 0
Holy Hell!
We hosted our little demo race event this weekend, about 2-3 mile circle track. RedMatter brought his 39 TG with the 1100/M8 package. Let me tell you, ive run a LOT of big power vees and none of them compared to this boat. The handling over 100 was flawless, putting her into turns at 90 wasnt an issue, the boat does everything right. And when you lay into it, you better be ready...the acceleration is MIND BLOWING. Video and pictures to come.
HUGE thanks to Ken (RedMatter) for being crazy enough to throw me the wheel and throttles for a few laps
Here are some pictures of the boat in last years event
Sharkey-Images | Demo Race Three
Saris Racing Team Ocean City 2012...AIR - YouTube <<<NEW VID. Follow @SarisRacingTeam
THIS GUY DIDNT SEEM TO HAVE ANY TROUBLE WITH TURNING A T/S TOP GUN AT 90+ MPH........
BTW, I had a Formula 382 with the same sticker in it. I dont think they are openly admitting the hull design sucks, but rather warning operators what CAN HAPPEN with a stepped hull boat. I am an AT fan for sure, but when the owner of a boat company slams another on a public forum, its kind of a turn off for me....... A few yrs ago I was considering buying at certain staggered 37 AT here in CT. In talking to the owner, he himself had taken a sharp corner and spun and rolled the boat ejecting a few people and the boat went under. Now, I know that was the ONLY staggered 37 AT ever made......is that because you actually took your own advice and fixed a bad hull design so this wouldnt happen again? Or is it still the same design minus the stagger? IMO, it was a good hull design, with an inexperienced driver......just like most other spin outs.
TeamSaris
Driver-441 Racer
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My Boats: : 32 Cobra Raceboat, 27 Avanti Raceboat 27 Kryptonite RaceboatJoin Date: Aug 2004Location: Lake GeorgePosts: 10,201Feedback Score: 0
Holy Hell!
We hosted our little demo race event this weekend, about 2-3 mile circle track. RedMatter brought his 39 TG with the 1100/M8 package. Let me tell you, ive run a LOT of big power vees and none of them compared to this boat. The handling over 100 was flawless, putting her into turns at 90 wasnt an issue, the boat does everything right. And when you lay into it, you better be ready...the acceleration is MIND BLOWING. Video and pictures to come.
HUGE thanks to Ken (RedMatter) for being crazy enough to throw me the wheel and throttles for a few laps
Here are some pictures of the boat in last years event
Sharkey-Images | Demo Race Three
Saris Racing Team Ocean City 2012...AIR - YouTube <<<NEW VID. Follow @SarisRacingTeam
THIS GUY DIDNT SEEM TO HAVE ANY TROUBLE WITH TURNING A T/S TOP GUN AT 90+ MPH........
BTW, I had a Formula 382 with the same sticker in it. I dont think they are openly admitting the hull design sucks, but rather warning operators what CAN HAPPEN with a stepped hull boat. I am an AT fan for sure, but when the owner of a boat company slams another on a public forum, its kind of a turn off for me....... A few yrs ago I was considering buying at certain staggered 37 AT here in CT. In talking to the owner, he himself had taken a sharp corner and spun and rolled the boat ejecting a few people and the boat went under. Now, I know that was the ONLY staggered 37 AT ever made......is that because you actually took your own advice and fixed a bad hull design so this wouldnt happen again? Or is it still the same design minus the stagger? IMO, it was a good hull design, with an inexperienced driver......just like most other spin outs.
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05-29-2013 | 08:59 AM
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Just to clarify I love love love the At`s not the small one I owned (too small for lake Michigan) but the 37 are beautiful and come with all the ameneties/ storage I`d love to have..... BUT I`m with Kreed.
Last edited by ICDEDPPL; 05-29-2013 at 09:33 AM.
