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birdog 09-02-2006 08:17 AM

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Yea...When you can boat year round, there is no rush... :D

Jayl13 09-02-2006 09:02 AM

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Ill tell ya I would take 100 feet of snow over one of these monster hurricanes any day of the week. The sheer panic that sets in anymore is amazing, fuel lines miles long on every block everywhere, home depot lines as long winding through the parking lot, just mass chaos for most of it, Thats why a good disaster plan and backup items bought during normal times is the best case scenario.
But yes its convienent when you can drop the boat at the ramp january 1 and take a nice cruise somewhere in a sweat shirt.
LOL but you know ALL about that dont cha bubba?
You coming down this winter?

birdog 09-02-2006 10:04 AM

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We are talking about it....Winters are tough when you get old ! :D

Jayl13 09-10-2006 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by birdog
We are talking about it....Winters are tough when you get old ! :D


I have a ways to go with that OLD part. No offense

birdog 09-11-2006 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jayl13
I have a ways to go with that OLD part. No offense

Young Punk Kids !!!! :D :evilb: :drink:

Jayl13 09-11-2006 07:44 AM

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LMFAO
Sorry

el indio 09-11-2006 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jayl13
I have a ways to go with that OLD part. No offense


That boat will get you there ahead of time if your not careful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

birdog 09-11-2006 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by el indio
That boat will get you there ahead of time if your not careful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aint that the truth !! :D

thisistank 09-11-2006 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayl13
Ill tell ya I would take 100 feet of snow over one of these monster hurricanes any day of the week. The sheer panic that sets in anymore is amazing, fuel lines miles long on every block everywhere, home depot lines as long winding through the parking lot, just mass chaos for most of it, Thats why a good disaster plan and backup items bought during normal times is the best case scenario.
But yes its convienent when you can drop the boat at the ramp january 1 and take a nice cruise somewhere in a sweat shirt.
LOL but you know ALL about that dont cha bubba?
You coming down this winter?


Hey Jay, are you able to get "wind" insurance on the Apache? And what do you do with it when the hurricanes come?

Jayl13 09-12-2006 07:21 AM

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Im waiting for Bill Mazzoni to finish his new building and im going to move the boat in there for safe indoor keeping.
Im STILL having issues with this insurance crap. Now this place I went to that did offer me wind insurance is saying I have to finance the insurance amount for the year rather than just making normal payments like anything else. Its not that I cant do it but I wont on principal and the 23% interest rate they want they can go jump in a ditch!
So now the $ has worked its way up almost another grand in finance fees and documentation fees and administrative fees and all this other hokey Bullchit!
This plan offered wind insurance on the boat too which was nice but im just getting really frustrated with this whole florida insurance thing. Maybe its time to move back to PA and pay a normal insurance company a normal rate and use the boat a few months out fo the year and that will be that.

el indio 09-12-2006 11:56 AM

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All this crapola and you just want to go for a boat ride.........bummer.......all you really need is liability coverage.......the boats aint worth any money yours or mine..........m.m....

thisistank 09-12-2006 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayl13
Im waiting for Bill Mazzoni to finish his new building and im going to move the boat in there for safe indoor keeping.
Im STILL having issues with this insurance crap. Now this place I went to that did offer me wind insurance is saying I have to finance the insurance amount for the year rather than just making normal payments like anything else. Its not that I cant do it but I wont on principal and the 23% interest rate they want they can go jump in a ditch!
So now the $ has worked its way up almost another grand in finance fees and documentation fees and administrative fees and all this other hokey Bullchit!
This plan offered wind insurance on the boat too which was nice but im just getting really frustrated with this whole florida insurance thing. Maybe its time to move back to PA and pay a normal insurance company a normal rate and use the boat a few months out fo the year and that will be that.

Yea, I kind've heard that the insurance market really took a hit after Katrina in Fl. and getting wind ins. is close to impossible. But if you have a fairly good indoor storage that is supposed to withstand a large hurricane then I guess like M.M. said, "Liability" baby!

We toy with the idea of moving out to maybe Ft. Lauderdale or Islamorada or something. But that is one of my main concerns. :rolleyes:

el indio 09-15-2006 09:37 AM

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Hey jay how is Apache 101 going........getting a good education?........

Jayl13 09-15-2006 09:41 AM

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Total Dollar is taking care of me, John Posey has my back, Finalizing a few details that are minor and that hurdle will have been taken care of. Have not gotten down to the boat in the last few weekends since it rains every saturday and sunday. Going to try again tomorrow but weather permitting. Hell I have not cut my lawn in 2 weeks from all the rain, its nuts. That also reminds me I need to talk to Bill soon to see what the status of Fort Mazzoni is!
J

el indio 09-15-2006 10:03 AM

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boaters------you may think the people working on your stuff are your friends but in reality its just another guy trying to make a living....funny but not to many people hang out with their plumber..........m.m............keep business business.......

RHC 09-15-2006 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by el indio
boaters------you may think the people working on your stuff are your friends but in reality its just another guy trying to make a living....funny but not to many people hang out with their plumber..........m.m............keep business business.......

Well said!! Learn ,, Learn,,, Learn ,,, then screw it up , and Learn again!!! :D :D

RHC

Jayl13 09-15-2006 10:12 AM

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No John is the insurance agent, No one wrenches on my boat but me PERIOD. If I need help then I get Herb Stotler on the phone. Oh holy one would be the only one I would contract for "boat stuff" Herb "engine Stuff" if it was something I could not do myself but so far for the most part there has not been anything yet.
And yes I damn skippy would tow my apache to PA for Ike to work on it and then Tow it back to FL.
Thats Loyalty and trust for ya right there in black and white.
J

el indio 09-15-2006 11:02 AM

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jay ........take a sample of all your oils and send to kelly tractor in miami.........oil,trans, gear lube....get a real break down and go on with your project.........in my experiance they are great saved me a fortune.......

OldSchool 09-15-2006 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayl13
Should have bought the 2 extra engines the boat came with GRRRRRR
No mark not interested, this is a relatively minor problem not requiring 40-50 grand worth of engines thanks though
J

Did this minor problem get fixed yet? I'm just wondering if you ended up tearing down that engine and where the lifters disappeared to!! That sounds really strange to me and also, if the lifters where gone :eek: how did the pushrods look fine?

el indio 09-15-2006 04:33 PM

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unfortunatly my experiance in these matters tells me a rebuild from the prop nut to the water pump is in order..........m.m.......

OldSchool 09-15-2006 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by el indio
unfortunatly my experiance in these matters tells me a rebuild from the prop nut to the water pump is in order..........m.m.......

That was my point. How are you doin' MM ??


It's like that old Fram oil filter commercial. You can pay now.....or pay later!!!!

el indio 09-15-2006 07:13 PM

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doing fine.....thanks for asking.How about you and yours?stay well......m.m.

Biggus 09-23-2006 09:15 PM

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What happened? Missing lifter?

Jayl13 10-02-2006 08:05 AM

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nah its in the valley
All is well, just need 2 new rocker arms, set of push rods, few bolts and she is fine.
Nothing big to worry about here.

sakoutis3 10-02-2006 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jayl13
nah its in the valley
All is well, just need 2 new rocker arms, set of push rods, few bolts and she is fine.
Nothing big to worry about here.


Sounds like the motor is stil a pile of parts. When you gonna put her back together?

Jayl13 10-02-2006 11:52 AM

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Depending on weather, Ill probably tow it home saturday and finish fixing it and that will be it, done!
She will be ready to go

el indio 10-02-2006 11:57 AM

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When drums stop canoe will run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lucky Strike Jr 10-02-2006 12:45 PM

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We missed you at the Fort Laud. Poker Run, it was "Apache" water on the leg to The Cove :D

Want to go watch the Deerfield race Sunday?

Jayl13 10-03-2006 11:49 AM

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Cant, flying back to Philly, Best man in my friends wedding, following week flying back to Philly to setup new sales office so im going to be on the road for a little while. Thanks though guys! Next race probably
J

wannabe 10-12-2006 02:20 PM

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Jay13

Jay-If I am to understand thisyou had 2 rocker arms break off at the mounting allowing the lifters to find their way into the valley. I would be suspect of all the rockers and would have them all serviced with new rocker mountings pressed into the heads. The supercharged engines produce higher cylinder pressures and put stress on the rockers and their mountings.

My $ .02

Wannabe

Jayl13 10-12-2006 03:21 PM

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That is correct mostly but these are what are known as shaft mount Rocker Arms from Jessel, not the cheap ones either. The carriers that the shafts bolt to is what broke.
I am going to replace all of the lifters and push rods, the one carrier on the one side that broke and use all new ARP bolts and lock tite to hold it all together.
Thats the plan anyway........... If I can ever get around to working on the stupid thing. Damn woman has me cutting granite and marble for the upstairs bathroom.
GRRRRRRRRRRRR cant go on the war path cause im stuck in the bathroom!!!!

cuda 11-26-2006 08:44 PM

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Any news?

Jayl13 11-27-2006 07:49 AM

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nah, just doing granite in my kitchen over the 4 day weekend so im thinking at this point im going to call Herb Stotler and just drag it down to Lauderdale and have him fix it since I cant get 4 minutes to myself with all this tile work going on. How ya been joe? been a while

cuda 11-27-2006 10:51 AM

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Been just kicking around, slow as hell at work. I'm currently swapping exhaust in Debbie's 22 Donzi.

Jayl13 11-27-2006 11:03 AM

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Thats cool, hows the other site doing?

wannabe 11-27-2006 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayl13
That is correct mostly but these are what are known as shaft mount Rocker Arms from Jessel, not the cheap ones either. The carriers that the shafts bolt to is what broke.
I am going to replace all of the lifters and push rods, the one carrier on the one side that broke and use all new ARP bolts and lock tite to hold it all together.
Thats the plan anyway........... If I can ever get around to working on the stupid thing. Damn woman has me cutting granite and marble for the upstairs bathroom.
GRRRRRRRRRRRR cant go on the war path cause im stuck in the bathroom!!!!

KAOPECTATE

Jayl13 12-06-2006 08:07 AM

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Just about
Got some surgery last friday and doing some light work around the house
xmas lights and other crap (weird being in shorts, no shirt hanging xmas lights on palm trees) but I might try to get the boat home this weekend and tear down the top half and find out any and all issues with this engine and get to Herb's to get some parts but depends on how I feel.
J

Strip Poker 388 12-06-2006 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayl13
nah its in the valley
All is well, just need 2 new rocker arms, set of push rods, few bolts and she is fine.
Nothing big to worry about here.

But something caused it to break.Did you find anything out?

Jayl13 12-08-2006 04:13 PM

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Yeah I over Revved the thing while I was idling up the ICW. Started to load up and I popped it up to about 6200 or so and well it gave way.
Lesson learned.
Next to install is rev limiters to prevent this from happening again.

Strip Poker 388 12-08-2006 04:53 PM

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I wouldnt think rapping on it would do that.atleast not 6200.My Camaro has less valve train than yours, I clean it out at 7500 before making a pass every time.


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