I have no idea, once Steve transplanted down south I never saw any of his crew...


When are you closing on the Larry Smith?:cool-smiley-011:
BTW, here's a video of one of my engines Jeff did. http://media.putfile.com/JC-Performance-Dyno

Hey I'm still around Red moved to Cali then back to NJ I saw him a few months ago

Price has been reduced...
http://www.custommarinesales.com/cla...age=out&id=115

Regards,
Tony
314-581-3532

Good luck, you can't beat the ride of a 41, unless you can do a 47.[/QUOTE]


I have only been on a 45. How does the ride of a 41 or 47 compare?

I can honestly say that i don't know.

One of these days somebody's gonna have to give me a ride in one.

Or I will just have to buy this one.

Go take a look I saw it when it was for sale in Jersey. My opinion you could get some use with just goin through the systems and babying it. It is clean for what it is and the price ain't bad either.

I will go fast don't get me wrong but I am really soft on the throttles because I leared how to drive a rescue boat in the Military and I was usually driving around picking people up out of the water on the fly.


I was so scared of running over one of my guys that I made it a habit of triple checking every turn or movement I made.

Now on the other hand jet skiers are out of luck, because they seem to put themselves in harms way back home they will get so close that I could steal the sun glasses off their heads.

but heads
 

Now on the other hand jet skiers are out of luck, because they seem to put themselves in harms way back home they will get so close that I could steal the sun glasses off their heads.[/QUOTE]

no doubt about it, way un-kool operators:eek: J

Jet Ski versus Apache, pay per view.

My friend Brian has a 233 formula, he and his wife were out at the lake and a jet skier tried to jump his wake and wound up in the boat with them, the impact almost broke his wifes leg.

No matter how iI feel about his wife that's still messed up.

No doubt, sweet-heart of a gal. I take it.:rolleyes: How much are the pay per view's ? J U-goin for the ol-41 ? good luck what ever u-decide !

I am really thinking seriously about it, I think I will drive down to Fort Lauderdale and look at it in January.

And yeah my boy Brians wife drives me crazy, she complains constantly, but he told me she has gotten better since she is medicated now.

tooooooooooo much fork of tongue
 

Hope she gets off the "Formula" and starts taking "Apache Medicine Man Medications" :ernaehrung004: again good luck, go in Feb,and u-got the Miami boat show too ! J :D

? is she in Ft.Lauderdale or N.Miami. John, by the way had a Formula 302 back in the day twin 330 nothing fancy, but let me tell-ya my 33 Sutphen Outrageous puts it to shame in hull strength; rides like a tank, handles like a dream and solid as a rock. J no offense to any Formula takers I had a ball with it--it is what it is.:boat:

There use to be a sutphen with surface drives down at lake conroe in texas.

I liked it but is was just a three pack if I remember.

I hear that glueing the hull and deck together on the older formulas helps quite a bit.

So true, bonding or glassing improves stuffiness, but thicker hull sides are the real answer no flimzyness on a Sutphen. John, so funny mine is an old Kaama surface drive boat 80+mph, twin 540's N/A approx 640hp a-side. no trl queen here she goes and it shows/rooster tail is incredible ! J ;)

cool:

I love Kaama drves, the boots are getting hard to find though.

We just cut and stretch old inner tubes over the flanges and tighten up the over size hose clamps no problem :rolleyes: no I have 2-slightly used 1's and my buddy has a brand new 1-4-me. He sold his rig. Plus the pair on the boat, but I am always interested in any parts that might come along. thanks J --- ps the 1 in Texas was it a 30 called Trouble Maker ?

I think it was called "Trouble Maker"
I know it was 30 feet for sure.
It stayed in a shop on it's trailer when not being used.

The innertube idea is a good one, how much power can a kaama take?

Could I put Kaama drives on an Apache?
Would it work or are Apache's to heavy?

I think they were rated @ 700hp from the factory, that is when they were in production, which is no longer. You want @ least #5's or 6's on a big 41' -- 3's-3a's and 4's OK as long as your good w/throttles. Like I said any Kaama parts around I am interested. I think I saw a 41' Apache out in Ohio for sale w/#4's or #5's a few mo's ago here on OSO, a staggered set up too. Remember when u-start changing this stuff around your x-dim.can change and it will be nec.to re-fill and cut the transom again. ps is the pink boat in n.miami or ft.L ?

John ck.this out turn up your volume too.media.putfile.com/SABER---2006-SOTW-Poker-Run-60 NICE-1989

The next time we hit the good satallite I will check that link out.

As far as te boat goes I think it's in Ft. L.
It's at Custom Marine.

Yeah I had heard that some hulls didn't work well with surface drives. To much hook or something like that.

HOOK real boats have little if none so to speak hooks are for :fish:-in sea ya & ck that video it's your future type ride. J

I remember dad removing the hook out of a hull when I was about five.

I going to check that video out as soon as I can.

My 89 has 3As with 150 hrs after tnt rebuild no issues so far
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IMO #6S would be the bomb however the 1st time they burp the wrong way it will be costly or so Im told.This whole thing is a double edge sword,pick your poison wisely.

If you dont beat the thing like a race boat lookin for the championship you should be just fine.Ive spent alot of time on the phone asking ?s with the whos who of this industry after bringing the Chief home.And they all basically said the same thing if you beat the crap out of it all the time something will fail.This statement is true no matter what you bring home.


It will reqiure more maintenence do not kid yourself but what you will have is a truly unique 1 of a kind bada$$ rough water king.

The first time me and my wife rode in a 41 was at the sea trial on the Chief.That was all it took.

I can honestly say niether one of us would trade it for anything but maybe a 47.

Sweet

I saw that video finally, that boat was rockin'.

I really like the 41 hull I know that it is way more than I will ever need up on the lakes where I live but I still like it.

Do Apache's have trouble with stress cracks like the other boats seem to?

Iv been under mine entirely and I found no cracks.I dont know about the others.

The new Konrad III/IIIA conversion should increase the value of the boat IMHO......

The Konrad won't hold the power you need to move a 41 the way you'd want it to move. That's the problem with the 3 drive. The Konrad will be perfect for the 750hp guy who doesn't want or need a 6 upgrade but also doesn't want to throw more $$ into an obsolete drive.

At 650hp on the 3 you figure it's OK for another hundred as-is with good maintenance. Then you decide another 50 won't hurt it but it ends up being an extra 50. Then you figure a little hard running should be OK. Now youre at 850 and hammering it here & there figuring all will be OK. It's not.

The hardest part of this sport is doing major repairs on something that's seemingly working perfectly. At least the motors give you some sign that things aren't at 100%. A re-shim on a set of 3's isn't cheap if the guy doing it is any good.

On the #6 drive, I believe the service interval is 200 or 250 hours @ 1000 hp. pleasure use, 100 hrs race use.

On "stress cracks", you can break anything. There's a difference between the gel coat cracks and structural failures. All these boats flex and you'll get gel cracks in some places. You can also get carried away and do damage to a hull. Nothing lasts forever but an Apache will get you the closest.

This particluar boat has 750 hp engines....50 hp under what Konrad calls a conservative rating of 800 hp. How fast "you'd" want it to move is your opinion, let's leave that up to a buyer on how fast they want it to go or how fast they believe is right.

In the 10+ years this boat was in the area I recall a drive problem one time. He ran the boat the way it was supposed to be run in rough water, enough so that he developed quite a reputation for his abilities.

If a potential buyer wants to go faster then sure.....put some #6's on it.....:rolleyes: If I wanted more power and wanted to go faster I'd put 6's on my boat too...:rolleyes: This boat ran 78 mph with labbed props, which for some is fast enough....wich is enough for some but not enough for others, and if it isn't then this probably isn't the right boat for them...:food-smiley-007:

My comments were't directed at this or any other specific boat- more towards Barb's discussion about a #6 conversion.

As far as speed, rarely do you run across someone in the performance boating world who doesn't want "5 more MPH" and once they get it, they want another. My observation on the Konrad was that I didn't think it would be a viable alternative for a guy who has 3's and is considering 6's.

And this is from a guy who has a set of Konrads on order right now.

Kinda figured that seeing your TRS stuff is for sale. Good luck with the project!

Wow!

78 is cooking for a boat that suppose to weigh 13,000 pounds, that should be more than enough for I need.

In the video of The Chief running in this thread, how fast was The Chief going?

I can agree with Chris in that if I spent the kind of money it takes to do the Konrad conversion I would want the drives to be at least be able to handle 1000hp because I would know that at 750hp I would be good to go no matter what I did.

I read that the #3 conversion had special HD input shafts wouldn't that mean it could handle more HP.

But like I said I won't be very rough to the boat.

Does anyone know someone in my area (Texas,Oklahoma) that is good at working with number three drive?

Is there a comprehensive manual that describes how to inspect and shim the number 3?

The reason I ask is because my Dad assembles and checks the run out on industrial turbine engines(he is the QA), if he had the specifcation and a little expert advice I am sure he could at least make sure the shimmiing was correct.

Thanks

p.s. What breaks number three's? Is it comming out of the water(jumping) or coming out of the hole really hard?

The tools alone would cost you as much as a refresh. Plus it's more of a learned art than a technical procedure. many have tried, most have failed. You're $$$ ahead to send them to a guy like Mel Riggs.

What really breaks any drive is running it too long without being gone through. Once those clearances start to loosen up, it's a swift downhill run. Holeshots shorten that rebuild interval as do timing mistakes unloading and loading the driveline when breaking out of the water. Those stresses add up and eventually something gives. It's usually not just one single event. Sometimes you get lucky and the drives will make noise- like a knock. They usually need some expensive parts by that time though. At least you don't need to find housings.

I was talking to Randy at Konrad after lunch- the III conversion is their 540 drive with a heavier input shaft and bearing setup. It's designed for their diesel applications. The only difference beyond that is the gimbal bell which adapts the 540's bolt pattern to the III housing. The price sounds about ballpark compared to repairing a tired set of III's. You couldn't touch a 6 conversion for much less than double the Konrad package.

Thats cool,

I guess I can ask dad if he knows anyone that can work on a number three.

I have had a lot of trouble with hiring things out in the past and I just try to have a person I know do the work.

Do you think that those guys up at lake texoma can do the drives? (Derebery)

John, it was great speaking with you i boated with Steve for years when he had this boat if i can be of any assistance please call ,Joe.

Yeah sometimes I can get through on the phone and sometimes I can't being in the sticks will do that to you.

Does anyone know how to get ahold of Steve, is he a member on here?

My biggest concern with this boat is keeping her fed with 1000's of gallons of super unleaded. Dang fuel prices are ridiculous.

like most every-1 has said, the most in-expensive part is the initial purchase.

Send a PM to bbill1974 and ask him if he can give you his number.

With this....and any other high performance boat....that should be one of your lesser concerns....

Soooooooo many peole make that mistake. They look at the monthly payment and figure that's close to what it's going to cost. If you add it all up, that's the tip of the iceberg. Dockage/storage, insurance, maintenance, repairs and fuel will eat you up. Then there's the $$$ you'd better be stuffing into a coffee can for every hour of use- you're going to need those engines/trans/drives rebuilt- maybe sooner than later.