41 Apache Warrior
 

Does anyone know anything about the 41 foot Apache in the classifieds with the wing and tunnel ram motors? :cool-smiley-011:

41' very pink
 

Thought I saw it listed w-deal pending a few wks back. tnt has it now, ask Mark Adams he had it listed some time back 6-mo's or more ago. I saw it last Feb. Not to bad for the $; can prob.be bought right. :rolleyes:

The boat has been discussed several times. I don't know anyone who has seen it in person though, although someone posted on here that they knew the owner. The short story is this- the boat is pretty much all original. That means that everything is probably at or close to the end of its practical life expectancy. If you were to strip it bare and repaint it, redo the cabin & cockpit, re-rig, front fuel tank, rebuild the drives & transmisions, and assuming that, as has been posted here, that the motors are solid and need just refreshening, you'd be into the boat for about $50K more than some nice #6 boats. have recently sold for. That's not counting the year and the effort of having it redone.

It would be exactly how you wanted it though.

Apache projects aren't for the meek, cheap or impatient.

http://www.custommarinesales.com/cla...age=out&id=115

Call me, I can help...
Tony
314-581-3532

looks pretty clean to me

You must be looking at a different boat...

No that's the boat I was talking about. I really dig oldschool boats, I actually like them a lot better than the new boats.

A boat is something I don't really expect to get my money back out of.

I have had to work really hard for everything in my life. I just thought this could be a nice boat.

I usually do all of my own work and I enjoy it, the few times I have hired work out, the work was under my standards, I guess I expect a lot because I give a lot.

I just wanted to know if I could use the boat until I decided to refurbish it.

p.s. I just got an e-mail saying that someones Norteck was stolen from up around Lake Texoma, I hope they get it back.

It sounds like a really unique boat.

STOLEN VESSEL 2005 Nortech 4300 Vee & 2005 Myco Trailer

HIN #: AOV43023J405 Documentation #: 959768

• Hull: Yellow, orange fade w/blue & white graphic - custom paint • Upholstery: White
• Canvas: Blue cockpit cover
• Closed bow
• Livorsi platinum gauges

Vessel Name: “Card Shark” Name on sides w/shark graphic AZLE, TX (on transom)
• Engine: T/1000 565cc Quad Rotors by Teague Custom Marine w/#6 Drives
• Eng Sr #’s: TCM564948, TCM564949
• Engine hatch cover: White w/“Nor-Tech”
• Trailer: 2005 Myco aluminum triple axle trailer, MWA40-42XHTR
• Trailer VIN #: 4JFBA43375B006022
• TX Trailer License: 43 VEE

LOCATION OF INCIDENT: Derebery Performance Marine Highport Road, Pottsboro, TX 75076
DATE OF INCIDENT: November 23, 2007
POLICE AGENCY: Grayson County Sheriff (903) 813-4200
Report #: 314008

A reward is being offered by the insurance company for information leading to the safe return and recovery of the above vessel. Reward amounts for information leading to the safe return and recovery of the vessel shall be determined based on the strength of information and shall be at the sole discretion of the carrier. Assured, relatives of assured, employees of entity offering reward, or law enforcement officials are ineligible for reward for recovery. With any information, call collect or immediately notify your local law enforcement agency.

TODD & ASSOCIATES, INC. (800) 325-8061 or (619) 226-1895 Fax: (619) 223-8942 [email protected] http://www.boatman.com

Know the boat well for years it was owned by a friend of mine Steve from Monmouth Beach NJ.Last year Navasink Marina in Seabright NJ had it for sale somewhere in the 60s.Boat is origional from the mid 1980s ,short stagger number 3s ,approx 750 hp per side .It used to run low 70s.

PS Chuck or someone at the Navasink weighed it at over 130000 lbs.

I hope ya meant 13K pounds, not 130K

Sorry for the typo ,if i can help in any way please call me at (732)-977-7244 as i said iam pretty familar with the boat in question.

I heard a rumor your brother bought a Scarab with 900's....or is going to buy one???? :cool-smiley-011:

There was a deal pending on the boat and I gave the person a lot of info and so did my friend... Even offered to put him in touch with Steve.... For whatever reason they were like 5-10K apart in price and I think the deal fell thru...

We've been down this road a bunch of times about this boat..... There are receipts for work done....new heads, drives done, trans rebuilt...new fuel tank in the bow etc... yet no one believes... I'm sick of sticking up for this boat.... It's cheap...either buy it and make of it what you want or just leave it alone already...:eek:

I called Mark myself when it first hit the market- I was looking for a boat to use while mine was in the re-do. He knew nothing about the boat and told me nothing beyond telling me the pics were an accurate representation of the boat's condition and that it was basically all factory original. Big emphasis placed on "as-is". I believe he said it had not been in the water since he'd had it but my recollection is not 100% on that.

Either the owner could do a better job of providing info on the real condition and all that has been done or maybe find a broker who would be a bit more aggressive with it. Getting on here himself an addrerssing some of these issues would probably help him get it moved as well. Had I known all this was done and it was verifiable, I probably would have bought it.

It could be a nice boat and that short-stagger is pretty rare. Without good info, one has to assume the typical Apache maladies.

I have consistently offered information about this boat since it first hit the market and if there was something I didn't know I could find out. Only 1 or 2 people contacted me about the boat, both of which were put in direct contact with the owner "at that time." He could have posted ever single detail about the boat and people would still bash it...that's just the nature of OSO... I sure hope I never have to sell MY boat on here...

He doesn't need to get it moved because he doesn't own it anymore....it was given to Charity, so if someone wants to purchase it they have to go thru the charity now...

BTW, how much did you pay for your Apache?

Exactly...
http://www.custommarinesales.com/cla...age=out&id=115

I bought a Cig 35, not a second Apache. I might have a deal going now on my semi-completed project that would let me bail but keep the 6's and my motors. I'm really interested in a 3-pack 41 ex-racer if I could find one. I'll just keep the 35 for taking the buddies/kids/etc.

I thought you owned a project Apache? did you inherit it? :eek::D

Hey I didn't want to irritate anyone, I just like the boat and wanted to know if it could be used for about two seasons before being torn down.

I planed on taking the arch off and going to solid white and leaving the bright colors in the cockpit.

I am no rich man by any means and I normally try to buy things worth the money.

I take pride in the hard work I put in to my projects.

John,

I'f you're serious about the boat let me know what kind of information you need. Please PM me so that the OSO experts don't interfere...

It hasn't been used in a few years but the last time the old owner used it the cylinder heads were new, drives gone over and trans rebuilt. The boat spend most of its life here in NJ and Steve was an Apache fanatic.

The boat needs wiring, guages etc. Like the add says, it needs TLC....

Here's an idea, if you're serious tell them you wont buy the boat unless you can do a sea trial.... :eureka:
If they wont do a sea trial then don't bother...I know Steve would have given you a sea trial.....

Frank

I wish. No, it's a boat I bought several years back- It was decent but not stellar. Had the same issues- small shaft III's, fuel tank went up front, etc. Hull was flawless on it but the transom was a bit sloppy from amateur tinkering. I paid $48K for that one. Was sort of a panic situation for the seller.

I wouldn't doubt if this one sells for less than that.....and has some of that work done already (fuel tank)
:drink:

Had I known that at the time, I'd be a 2 Apache project guy!

Seriously, I got the major-league brushoff from brokers this summer & fall. Yeah, I had 50 or 60 grand to drop, not $600K. Still, I was ready to show up tomorrow with a bag of cash. As soon as we got past what the broker had in the ad, they were no longer interested in me. If I wanted pics, a former survey or even some basic questions asked, my calls ceased to be returned. It was an eye-opener.

I had the same trouble with a broker at mears point named Mike.

I expressed some interest in an old 40 Excalibur Hawk, I requested more recent pictures of the boat and he started back peddling.

I think that the boat has some moisture problems and the pictures of it online are a few years old.

I like the picture on Chris Sunkin's avatar, there isn't any thing that a little carpet bombing can't fix.
:D

Panther(Frank )its actually me thats real close on the Larry Smith.Bad Boat.

Cool!

Not sure if you knew but Jeff did the engines in my Apache, excellent work!:cool-smiley-011:

If you are intrested please call Tony I have delt with him and Peter before and they have always been stright, and have never brushed me off!!!

Love them Pache's
 

I am interested in this boat, I like the information that everyone has provided.

However I don’t appreciate it when somebody feels the need to be negative. I have been a member of this site for a few years and I post very little, if I feel that I don’t have anything positive to contribute I just don’t say anything. I realize that compared to a new 1.5 million dollar boat that this older boat pales in comparison but even if I had the money I still wouldn’t spent that much on a boat.

I really like the look of older boats to the point where if you set two boats side by side one new and one 20 years old, I will more than likely compliment the older boat. Most of my friends have older boats.

My reasoning is that it takes more attention to detail to maintain an older boat to a high standard than it does to go drop 500,000 dollars on a new boat, call me a traditionalist.

I really like the 41’ Apache and if I can make the right deal on it I would take it home. As for the aesthetics of the cockpit and cabin they are dated looking but as long as they are functional I could address them later.

As for the wiring, if I can wire a fighter airplane that’s subjected to 10g’s then I think I can handle this boat, the main thing I am worried about is the engines, drives and moisture content of the hull.

However there is a big difference in buying a boat you can take your wife out in a week after you get it home, instead of six months later. :D

As for calling extreme marine, I could but it cost 50 cents a minute to call from Afghanistan where I am currently working. So I have been e-mailing the sellers of the boats that I’m interested in to help eliminate a lot of wasted time and money. Normally I would call everyone and talk at length about the boats in detail but that will have to wait until I get back to the states.

I appreciate everyone’s help and it has helped me narrow my search down to two boats, I am just waiting on some information from the sellers right now.:drink:

The hull is dry!

That's courtesy of the 8th Air Force at Barksdale Alabama, Home of the BUFF

Visit their gift shop...

http://www.8afmuseum.net/giftshop/decals/decals.htm

Good old Barksdale, one of my ex girlfriends PCSed to there in 2001.

I'm glad that hull is dry, if it wasn't that would be a crying shame. I like that old boat, do you think they would deal on it any?

Does that boat have an enclosed head? Is there anything I should know about an on board crapper, I have never had one before.

only silly question is the one not asked, call em up!

If you like the boat have Ed Cozzi do a complete survey on the boat, and have him do a leak down on the motors. He is very good and know what he is doing, he also a member here on this site, so you should be able to just PM him. Good luck, you can't beat the ride of a 41, unless you can do a 47.

John,

Based on what you and I chatted about, it probably wouldn't be a great choice considering your needs. You could probably get it at a good price but it's going to need some work before it sees water- even if as Panther says, all the stuff is there on it. At a bare minimum it's going to need a going-through on all the systems to make sure everything is in order. It's been sitting for a while and that can be worse than running them hard. If you're looking to buy something and start using it right away, this probably isn't going to be that boat. There's nothing better than an Apache for style or capability but a boat like this takes ALOT more effort than a 36 to 38 foot one. I know it only seems like it's 3' longer than something like a Topgun but that's merely an illusion. Everything from docks to racks to towing presents greater challenges. Then you're dealing with an outdrive that's got limited parts availability and is hideously expensive to repair, but not capable of absorbing the horsepower necessary to get this boat over 70 mph.

There is a head up forward in the v-berth. Cabin is stand-up only if you're 9 years old.

If you've got the Apache bug and understand going in what you're going to be confronted with, this is an opportunity- There aren't many Apache project boats out there anymore and way fewer short-stagger. But, if you want to come home, tidy a boat up and head out for a trouble-free summer on the water with your family, this ain't the one.

Steve, the owner?

Just so others don't think I'm cheerleading, here's my PM message to John;

No doubt- you've been very clear, helpful & forthcoming about the boat. Like I said, had I known, I would have bought it. I'd love to have the short stagger.

Your PM to him is funny- virtually identical to mine.

I mistakenly typed "if" into that sentence. When reading it one my think I was questioning your assertions and the info you provided. Not the case or my intention at at all. Sorry!

It's all good...we have an inch of snow on the ground here today....:eek:

I just got in from pumping some of the remaining gasoline from the Apache into my wifes truck and the Suburban! Nothin beats free gas! :D

Panther (Frank) whatever happened to RED ,Apache Steves first mate .There was not a drinking establishment on the JERSEY SHORE those two characters did not hit (or get thrown out of)

The website that has this Apache for sale also has "Ruthless" listed. I believe that boat has been up by us in Spring Lake for two seasons now at my friends shop. Sounds like its time for a little updating on the website!

I think I may have caught a bad case of Apache, I don't really care if I have to work on it before I use it.

But as someone stated I don't want to not be able to float the boat and take the girls out once or twice before I start work on it that would raise my wifes morale and get me the support I need, the biggest boat she's ever been in is 22' and she loves it but is a little scared of it.

Skimming the water on 12" of boat and one lower unit is a handful for me and she can see that in my eyes.

I think if she ever gets a taste of that rumble and looks down that long deck she will be hooked just like me.

Hey are number three's really that weak?
I thought they were stronger that TRS drives.

I actually planned on detuning the engines and putting a single carb on them. My Dad is a magician with mouse and rat motors.