Yup!

Storage here in NJ at the local marina is $135 ft for the 6 month summer period... winter storage is additional...

Insurance for a boat like this (if it's even covered) I'd venture to guess is around $2500...give take...double that if you live in florida or in warmer areas where you boat year round.

So, you haven't even used the boat yet and you're looking at roughly $8K and the boat hasn't hit the water yet... You could easily spend that much in fuel for the season as well... OR, if you trailer... $50K for a new dually diesel...

Now add maintenance on top of that.... I dunno.. pulling rough numbers (I don't keep track because I'd chit myself).... $5K in a good year.... $15K in a bad year (blown drive's etc.)..... $20K in an engine rebuild year (every 4-5 years at this power level).... These are conservative estimates IMHO... :eek:

So anyway..... the price on the boat is still low.... you can probably buy it...part it out..then sell the bare hull or buy it and re-rig and have a beautiful machine..or buy it..do minimal maintenance work and use it... Ball's in your court..

I have a diesel truck, I have a shop to store and work on the boat and I have a wife that seems to always do the wrong thing with money.

But hey what's new, I really like this boat and if somebody besides me buys it I hope they take good care of it.

I don't have the problems that you guys are faced with at my home in Texas I have three acres in the country a home and shop.

I rebuild my own engines and transmissions I wire fighter aircraft for a living and I learned composites from working on the F-117, I meant what i said, I do almost everything myself.

The things that I am not familiar with are upholstry (my Mom is) and speedmaster drives, I have rebuilt several OB lowers and they are all still going strong.

The boat would sit on it's trailer at my house when not in use and we don't need winter storage.

I was just surprised at the fuel consumtion because I am use to diesels and they just don't use as much fuel, if i remember correctly it was 18gph at cruise speeds and 22 gph wide open.

I am glad that you all can afford to maintain your boats up there in the north if I lived up there I probably couldn't afford to own one.

I once considered an offer for imployment in california but the cost of living was so expensive there that it was more cost effective to stay where I am, plus the gun laws out there make me sick.

John,

I wasn't trying to talk you out of the deal but I don't know you so I didn't want you to go into it blindly!

I grew up as a marine mechanic and do most of the work myself. If not for knowing how to do it, I too couldn't afford to own my Apache.

Nowadays, there are certain things that I leave up to the experts because of the amount of spare time I have to do the work on my own, which is limited these days. If I didn't have extra money, be darn sure I'd be doing everything myself and be boating much less!

Anyway, as long as you know what you're getting in to, best of luck! I couldn't live with my concience if you bought the boat then all the sudden it was more expensive to maintain than you originally planned for and then you would be posting how upset you were.

so anyway, it has to potential to be a great boat as long as the buyer knows what they are getting.

I passed your email along to my friend Bill and asked if he could get in touch with Steve and talk to you about the boat, even though he doesn't own it anymore.

Frank

Not sure about this boat but my boat burns about 40 gallons an hour at cruise speed (3600 rpms).

John PM me and I can give you the history & some receipts.

Great 40gph isn't too bad, honestly I don't plan on running it much. Maybe 15 to 20 hours a year in fresh water.

My wife and daughter like going to the lake with my dad and myself but it seems like there is always some a$$hole bothering them if they are onshore while we are out fishing.

The Apache would be a place for my mom, my daughter and my wife to get some sun and kick back and read a book while dad and I fish for a while.

About twice a year we run to the gulf and do some salt water fishing off the shell islands about 40 miles out, the wind blows to hard to fish from the boat so we wade fish, I almost always catch and release so the only fish box we need is my 128 quart cooler.

The Apache would have a wonderful retired life with my family and would probably last for a long time.

The reason I do things myself is not because I can't afford to pay someone else, it’s because nobody does a good job anymore and I just can't trust hiring work out.

My dad had a bilge pump put in his Bullet and the jacka$$es didn’t put any sealer on the screws I found it a year later when I replaced his fuel tank hoses with aircraft hose.

I had to shop vac all the water out and use heaters to dry the area out after I cut some small patches out, then I shot it full of foam and reglassed the patches.

He was heartbroken over that whole situation, but it's all good now.

It's a pain,but most of my family trust me and me alone to do work on any of our stuff.

I am just a regular Joe I was in the Military for 8 years and now I work for the Army as a civilian, so I'm not rich but I'm resourceful.

:)

Here'a a picture of the boat from the mis 90's in typical Sept. NJ waters for all you bashers of the boat

Crap... Makes me want to go boating!:cool:

Here's one of Steves boat at the dock for Dippel's party.

Wow!
That brings back memories.

Will we see you out there next year? I would like to put together a run with all the local boats! Freeport would be a fun run!

Here's another pic of the Warrior!:cool:

Panther (Frank )this is the exact message i tried to convey to this gentleman on the phone .Any way you look at it (even though the boat is structuarly sound )to maintain and operate a 40 plus foot boat of this nature (esp one that has been run in salt water )that is 20 plus years old aint cheap.DEFINATELY a big boys toy.

Either way you look at it boats are expensive.

I could buy a brand new fountain 35 ICBM for 1,100 a month for the first 36 months or I could buy the Apache and pay cash for it and pay 500 a month towards maintenance.

I prefer the second option, but to each is own.

I just don’t like the new boats; they have more deck than hull.

I would rather be able to work on my own stuff without warranty concerns; I just like doing things myself at my own pace.

I have taken everyone’s advice into consideration and it will ultimately come down to whether the boat is still available and I can get a deal I can live with.

I will try to get down to see it in January. I am familiar with boat maintenance I just wasn’t familiar with number three’s basically in boat terms I am a rigger, I just happen to be an aircraft rigger.

If you think marine equipment is expensive check out a few aircraft sometime, at least with an boat you can work on it yourself and you don’t need an IA.

The reason I contacted a few of the people on OSO is due to your familiarity with this boat and/or its systems.

I am not in a hurry because I can’t use the boat right now anyway, I am in Afghanistan, my wife and i are just waiting on the right deal.

John, I'm glad you decided to contact Billy. Bill knows the most about the boat and ultimately spent the most amount of time on, in and around it.

Yea Panther he was very helpful and he really seems to be a nice guy.

I am glad you put me in contact with him.

Thanks

Anything you need let me know

Looks like someone in georgia got to it before I could.

I just found out while I was sitting here in Kuwait waiting on my flight to Frankfurt.

I hope it found a good home.

Yep it sure did find a good home. It is in for a complete redo, paint, cockpit, cabin, and motors. I will post some pics later.

I think the carburators might have had a little bit of water in them.?????? But it still ran.

Congratulations, please post pics and updates throughout the project!!!

Looks great without the arch! PS, I know someone who would want it!

Call CMS I Left it in the parking lot, I am sure Pete would love some one to come and get it!!!

Congrats! Can't wait to see how she comes out!!

Hey John you are right on "The reason I do things myself is not because I can't afford to pay someone else, it’s because nobody does a good job anymore and I just can't trust hiring work out"

Uncle/Mr.J boy those carbs look nasty:traurig001:,better ck.the fuel & tanks:rolleyes: best of luck w/her keep us all informed as u-go along thanks :drink: "J" ps she's been the talk of the town for some time !

Thought you all might like an update??

Before

After this weekend???

I think we sould have her done in ........Two weeks? LOL.

This is the best par t of the whole paint job!!

Looks like your going to improve HER in many ways. She needs that TLC stuff. 2-wks boy do u-move fast. ;) Keep us posted. thanks J :)

That was Steves sailboat kills. You arereally flying. Did Steve call you yet?

looking great unclejobin, ill post some pics of my dash tonight. how far are you tearing yours down?

Yes I have talk to Steve, he seems like a great guy.


The dash is shot out and busted up so we are rebuilding it from the bottom. Also the wood, not fiberglass around the leaking hatches was....... well not good. But we are on it and should be done in...........two weeks!!! Maybe three..LOL

Wow, you are really moving along!!

here are some pics from my dash...

Three confirmed kills! He was almost an ace!!!!!!!

Is this the same boat???

looks like it to me and i bought it from a dealer in chicago... those pics look pretty recent too? have any more?

Do you have any pics of how the door to the cabin looks on the inside?? The headliner area. I am building a door for mine now, so any ideas would help.

Did you have a chance to take it out for a spin before tearing it down?

Not sure if you mentioned it but once you got the carbs cleaned up, how did the engines run/sound?

Did Steve give you an idea of some of the more recent service history?

I guess he didn't put the swim club rope kills on there? :D That sure was an interesting race between the Warrior and the Bagger! :hitfan:

I think i need to now more about this swim club race???!!!

No we did not take it out for a spin but the motors ran fine. We ran them for about 2 hours each, I also got a lot of the records of recent work from Steve. He did take good care of her, and had spent a lot of money!!!