OMG!!! i cant believe what ive been reading!!! you guys are funny! im a kid at heart!! thats why i bought an APACHE!

Good lord let it end already. The boat is what it is. If someone wants it they will buy it. If someone wants to comment on what they have seen, than so be it.

I drove 500 miles one way to view a boat once and lets just say I wish I would have had some comments from others before I wasted a long day in the car.

Then again I am just a "kid" so John probably doesn't care what I think. However, I am a couple years older than my boat and Johns boat for that matter.

I hope you others watching don't think all of us down here(or up here) in Ga are like this! Gotta say it's a p*ssing contest that would be very interesting to watch play out in person!

Like I said, I dont know how many times I have to say it, if someone wants to buy the boat, they know how to contact me.

Sorry you drove so long to look at a boat, but no one has to drive 500 miles to look at this boat if they don't want to. I hope they call and ask questions first. As long as the comments are true, I agree with you.

ok im finally going to chime in here with my .02!

if anyone thinks that buying a 17 year old boat is not going to have some problems then you are completely delusional. if you want an apache without any issues or problems go buy one new from mcmanus. otherwise weigh the good and the bad and make a freaking decision about it and move on. of course the boat has issues it doesnt take a high school diploma to figure that out. but dam if you think you are going to buy a 17 year old apache and not spend a dime on it i think you should find a different hobby. i bought my apache in december from shogren and read every post related to the boat and of course some a$$hole who had went and looked at it said it had stress cracks on it.... (no sh!t) well what he didnt see is what caused the cracks he was talking about, he just spouted off that it was a p.o.s. cause there was a couple of cracks on it. well the cracks were caused by the hydraulic cylinders that raised the hatches. EASY FIX we simply made braces to correct the problem and moved on with the project. stop bashing the guys boat and if someone is really serious about buying it let them make an educated decision themselves and give them useful info like how to correct the problems the WILL find after they buy it. and who cares if they travel to see it or not, small price to pay to find an apache

anyways im still a kid and i still LOVE my apache 41!

Comments are true. Unfortunately in my case the owner of the boat had swapped out an engine thinking no one would notice that the one engine was older than the boat. My point was that if I would have asked questions on a board like this someone might had seen the boat recently and given me a heads up (I am not trying to insinuate that your boat is any different than you claim it to be or that a heads up is in order, just stating my experience)

It all worked because I found myself an Apache instead. It is a work in progress, but that is what is so cool about it. Viper is right about many Apaches having their issues. Hell, any 15-20 year old boat is going to show some use. I'd still take a 15 year old Apache over a 5 year old Baja any day!!

John, best of luck selling your boat. I got a bit fired up over the kid comment because I often get the same comment directed @ me when totally unwarranted. I guess the fact that I look like I am 18 will work to my advantage when I am 40.

COME ON SUMMER!!!! I'm running out of popcorn this winter from all the bulcrap that has been posted.

Seller says is what it is a once potentual buyer says what it is while other are looking on, if somebody is serious aobut the boat sure they will read here and other places to do research, but will also go see for themselves or have somebody they "trust" go look before they go. Don't know how much lunger a person can beat a dead horse but the way this thread is going were all about to see!

If that is true then I want names. I spent 45 minutes looking at the boat in a low light area at that where I had seen all i could. There again you alter the truth to make you look better. And you would have to add about ten years to the boat FYI. This is so stupid. I have yet to bash the boat all I said was it needed work and then your only defense was Im a young kid and don't know anything about boats. Anybody will tell you it needs work and I agree its a 17 year old boat things are going to need to be fixed.

Well Said, your boat is looking GREAT, Enjoy.

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