Look Scott, I'm sure you want to help, but you have to realize that not everyone does things the same half ass way you do things. As for Tres, he and Brad teach courses in hydro-dynamics in his high speed driving class and is an accredited teacher in how to set up boats as well as his own record of wins on race courses. I have consistently seen you give wrong/bad advice on here and start confrontations and ruin threads. and as for taking advice, Yes, i will listen to the race winner and not the guy that barely can finish a race on setups. if you want to help people try doing the research and posting only abut what you know, not what you think. You do more damage than good. Do yourself a favor and just delete your posts on this thread and really help the people that ask questions.:cool:

Tres gave us good advise with our 97 big power Gun ,1/2" spacers did the trick for us.
The gun was a few mph faster spinning in as well as loose on the top side,I preferred spinning her out.
Our cat only likes turning in as she is like running on ice above 115 mph turning out,very dangerous night and day difference spinning her in!
It only takes a few hrs or less to swith 6 drives I say try it both ways and see how she feels. Unless someone with your exact same boat, drives ,X dimension and prop has real data to share running both ways..
Good Luck!.

I cant wait to see one of your systems, on my 20 cig Im doing a 3.3 whipple and thinking of adding that as well, I hope to see you guys on the bay this year to check one out...

Rob,,,thanks for beeing nice .LOL

Actually if u read your first post and mine ,,the only thing we do not agree on is if X-dim. makes a diffrents.
And it realy does.
Also Tres is refering to steped hulls not apache's with a notch in the post of yours .
Also a boat runs loser with sternlift because u lift the chine's out of the water,,the bow is out anyways at high speed's.
The other thing is,,i never lost or did not finish because of the setup,,only because of the engine . And i never said i was an engine guy.

I wish u luck and fun with your boat this year and happy eastern !!!

Maybe we can get along at the end !!!:party-smiley-004:

I would would be more than happy to show you our set up as well as take you out and show you how she works on the water.
And when the time comes to Whipple charge your 20' Cig Rudy could give you advise as to what to expect from our system on your set up.

We will be out in a month or so, Friday afternoon happy hr,Chesapeake Inn, Jelly Fish runs, Sat,Sun lunch runs to Inner Harbor etc
We have a fun group of boats that run down the Bay every weekend!
Look forward to seeing you out there!
Glen

Scott, this is what you posted and on a V bottom it is wrong...period.
X dim is only a fraction of the whole equation. X dim is only going to matter if the props aren't in good clean water. Everything that tres said is in relation to a straight hull, as my tiger is and a cousin of the 41. Rob knows about Tigers as I believe his old one was the first one made under Craig Barrie. Most people assume, and as Wild Warrior posted that in order to achieve a higher speed raising the X is the only way, They put in a half inch spacer to put the props down in cleaner water and got faster, I was told I may need and inch spacer. depending on each boat and it's testing.turning in carries higher so there fore boat will be more loose.
Now For Robs Apache, it is also a short stagger boat with a notched transom. by spinning in he will carry his bow higher, therefore keeping more of the boat out of the water at the same rpm, thereby increasing speed, A stern lift will push the boat down in the bow making it want to either porpoise of bow steer, neither is good for speed. Tonto has a short stagger as I think Ike's does as well, so they have done some testing and gives him good starting points.

Glen, i look forward to it...Billy (runninghot) called me when his got dynoed, we couldn't get him to shut up, lol! Also I'm in MD as well and dave at MDG will have my motor on the dyno next winter.

Ours is turning in, Warhawk and TONTO I believe are turning out. I think WW and Jerry's 41's are turning out.

this is very interesting please let us know what set ups people are using on a notched fully staggered 41.

really only want to read knowledgeable folks here or owners of a 41 not theorists!

where is magnum mark??!.... ..... ..... . .

C

Most Vees When the prop is on a upswing on the outside of the drive to travel fprward it will raise the bow. The water inthe middle of the drives is in the path of High PSI and several boundry layers face the blade entry making it less affective. Everyone forgets that Drive tow will increase or decrease the benefit Cats are far different/ Many things come into play, How prop is in the tunnel,deadrise,drive tow. Nost Apaches I ran liked drives turning in . but docking was more difficult.

Most Vees When the prop is on a upswing on the outside of the drive to travel fprward it will raise the bow. The water inthe middle of the drives is in the path of High PSI and several boundry layers face the blade entry making it less affective. Everyone forgets that Drive tow will increase or decrease the benefit Cats are far different/ Many things come into play, How prop is in the tunnel,deadrise,drive tow. Nost Apaches I ran liked drives turning in . but docking was more difficult.