Just browsed the new Poker Runs of America magazine and found an article about the new "Apache"(as opposed to the real Apache, you know, the one that actually built the 41's and 47's). Against my better judgment I read the article. The magazine was correct in pointing out the Trademark issue is in the courts. Alot of the other information supplied by the company reads like fiction. And Fiction can be fun. They own the "Apache" name and trademark ????? " I did my research. Everything looked good and I bought the Apache Trademark for 500,000$ " Well, maybe a little trip to the USPTO website would have been a good idea. Just a thought. I hope the courts rule on this issue soon. Also, who are the three original Apache crew at the company ???????

Its going to be interesting when this company has to change its name. Please list your ideas for the new name of this company, soon to have serious marketing issues.

Geez Carl.....let it die will you.......

Nah, I get sick of people that take credit for other peoples work and try to push false claims on people. After 15+ years with an Apache I should be able to question this fake Apache company.

Plus, the board has been kinda slow lately

Carl you been off your Meds I see.. LOL Before this gets started how have you been ?? I hope OK and Boating!!

Look:For the zillion-th time on here as I understand it ;Thad Allen bought the company and the rights. When GM bought Hummer, didn’t they buy the bragging rights also?

Now Sir if you have a problem then the obvious move would BE.. you should then go to the ONE's he bought it from Right ??

Morning Steve,

No, he did not buy the name or the rights. When you look at the chain of assignments it went from the original company that built the 41's and 47's(not the one that built the 28's and 36's, ie the one Thad bought) to the government to MM. Its pretty clear when you know where and how to look.

I know you just build em Steve So I won't argue the point with you.

People need to remember that 2 different groups were involved. The company that Thad bought never built the 41's or the 47's. The Apache that actually built the 41'+ boats always controlled the name and trademark before the government took over and got the factory, inventory and trademark.

The facts are the facts. Anywhere you look up the Apache name or the Indian head logo Mark McManus Inc is listed as the owner.

People can file lawsuits for anything in this country. The actual merits of the case doesn't matter. For better or worse, its our system in this country. This upstart Apache is just trying to throw alot of money at the legal case in the hopes that the real Apache will fold. Its not going to happen.

Opinions in the public domain don't matter legally. Statements in magazines have no weight in court. Slick marketing campaigns can't change the basic principles and rules of trademark law. Federal Court trials are not like episodes of L.A. law. Federal Judges are professionals that know the law(very very well) and marketing and B.S. will not carry alot of weight with them.

Take Care

Carl

You da man!


Oh . . . and you also happen to be correct.

as usual the one who must cover their tracks takes the defensive.its past the point of being funny.before you can have bragging rights you must be able to prove yourself.its obvious no one did their homework before buying whatever they thought they bought.many years of offshore experience went into the apache.no matter who you side with mark m. or bob s. it is a fact that both of these men have the knowledge and history with apache.it takes years of hard work and dedication and fortitude to make it to the level that they have reached.i am surprised at bill t. and his magazine to allow such an unnerving piece of literature to appearer on his pages.maybe bill should print a story on mark m. and let the public see another side to the story.hey,Mr. bill t.,why don't you do an article on mark m.let me ask you,would you picture the logo in that article? would you do honest research and print not controversy, but facts?i would hope so.carl keep up the support we are with you brother!

So like how much longer for this new 41' no name to be completed?

Stop it man ... your killing me over hear !!!

The boat is completed.They have not decided on an appropriate name for it yet