I think everyone can agree that the article backfired!

I think everyone can agree that the article backfired!
idrpstf
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Not really depends on what you KNOW and how well you read it.. Best Regards

I guess I could have phrased my comment better. Considering that the above article serves the general public as a press release, and not everyone who buys a boat is part of the "Apache gossip pool" (It does keep us entertained). I would say that the hopes for the article would have been to give a brief history lesson and build nostalgia.
What I got from reading it, is that someone thought they purchased a brand name and is now in litigation. In the meantime he has 12 people working a trade that he admittedly knows nothing about. But, considering his business background, he will make it work...or, maybe not, and has a plan B.
The article instills little, to no confidence in the company. And raised questions about its future. I would not feel confident putting a deposit down on a boat after reading it. But I do wish Thad luck. I hate to see anyone fold.
MD

IDRPSTF

Good Points..

Steve, do you still work there? If so, share your thoughts. To me it sounds like the molds are complete, which means a boat could hit the water within 60 days.

Logo or no logo, this could be the biggest anticipation ever for a new model to come out.

Remember "New Coke"? Was it the most brilliant marketing concept ever created or was someone being a complete moron? You decide.

Troutly ROFLMAO Staying busy and having fun I guess..

Ron, they need to lay glass first, the molds are done and sitting there but no glass is laid yet, the only glass laid so far are 2 engine hatches and a dash
Thats it
I was there today
jason

Ron the Molds are finished we had a separate contractor for laying them up to save time with a new Building system I was more concerned with the Plugs.

The new Boats will have a Epoxy layup scheduled to start soon as the molds are buffed out..

It is the original 41 Warpath but digitally straight and sweet. no changes !!

Re: Re: LEGAL Question about someone acting on behalf of a company
 

Thanks and my appologies! I thought I was starting a new THREAD! Instead I hit REPLY!:eek: :o Call me DUMBASS!:crazy: :eureka: :rolleyes:

If the molds were just finished and no boats have been laid up yet, what are these engines http://www.apacheusa.com/newconstruc...=7&limit=1&L=1 for?

That series of pictures have been on the Apacheusa.com website for at least a couple of months. What did they go into if not a new boat (of whatever name)?

Miller they were intended for the Warpath T-4

Thanks Steve 1. But, I'm still confused. What is the Warpath T-4? How is that different than the 'new 41' that has been talked about? Lastly, what do you "they were intended"? Are they no longer going in that boat? Is the T-4 finished?

Thanks for clarifying.

Bankruptcy?

Miller not yet! A lot of things is happening they are in progress of moving to a Large factory and that will be next.

The T-4 has a very sophisticated safety first vented bottom..

The Mold is straight Vee bottom (very straight)

Mike hi yes I did work for Mr Allen. Finished up and we have some more work in the future,as per my last conversation..

Mike I am a Cat designer/builder and specialize in composite work anf high-end tooling..

Plan B calls for Thad to change the name to Cigarette since no one owns that one...He's one smart business guy!

Good Morning Steve :)

Good Point, it really does depend on what you know when deciding if the article backfired. After reading the article using what I KNOW allow me to make a few observations.

1. Thad contacted the Palm Beach Post in order to get them to do a news story about his new boat company. The reporter, to her credit, researched the trademark and found out that, surprise, the trademark is owned by Mark McManus Inc. The story that was posted is the best explanation of the true story in the media to date. Did it backfire on Thad ????? Well, there was a picture of Mark McManus standing in front of Apache Heritage(a boat he built) on the FRONT PAGE of the Palm Beach Post. It backfired at best, its a total marketing disaster at worst. You decide.

2. "Allen claims he owns the true trademark, and says McManus acquired it illegally and hasn't used the Apache name for years" Wrong and wrong. Thad is going to march into Federal Court and tell a Federal Judge that Mark McManus bought the trademark from the Federal Government illegally ??????? Nice conspiricy theory, lol. The great mysteries of our age: was there a second shooter on the grassy knoll in Dallas and did Mark Mcmanus lead a conspiricy to buy the Apache trademark from the government. Hopefully the History channel will answer these questions soon. Also, Mark McManus has consistantly used the Apache name throughout the years. How do I know this ?????? I've been a customer for 16 years and continue to visit the factory every year. Yep, Thads claim really sets the record straight.

3. " "I'm almost starting to regret getting into this" said Allen" " He ain't the only one. A solid statement about the future of the company. Would really help me decide to go with this company.

4. If Thad Allen owns the "True" trademark, then why did he attempt to buy it from Mark McManus. Once you own something why buy it from somebody else ???? Must be the business strategy I'm not familiar with.

I know you just build em Steve, but you said you "KNOW" stuff.

Please respond if you would like to share what you "KNOW"


Carl

"bubble .... bubble... toil and trouble.....".......:p

not allowed to speak about the stuff, thats the problem.
Unfortunately

Jason

Wow. It almost makes you stop and ask yourself...Apache, whats in a name?







I had to.

Okay, any bookies here. Whats the over/under for Thadpache?

There is a flip side to this :Theoretically speaking here only; What happens to you if you sell something you do not own ??

I'm still confused on the status of a boat.

What is the difference between a Warpath T-4 and the 'new, improved Apache 41' that we've been hearing about for over a year. Finally, when will either boat be completed and shown to the public? Or, are there no plans to start building boats until after the name and rights dispute is resolved?

Thanks.

So, Let me get this straight. They hire you, you put your house up for sale and move to Florida, leave your wife and family behind to sell the house and head south to work. They chit can you two weeks later, make you wait to get paid and your gonna tell us that you are not allowed to speak about the stuff!!!! WTF


I say screw that Martha Fokker, let's hear the dirt!!!:D :D You owe them nothing, they certainly weren't loyal to you!!

Whew, I feel better!!:D :D

Are you reffuring to Bobby, the Government or Mark. Or Thad if he tries to sell Apache now?

IDRPSTF

Again reading the whole thing, The over view I got was if this thing goes badly someone was sold a bill of goods .. But then there is the reply Like buyer beware!! But the fact remains Money did change Hands.

But that is for Legal people.not me..

SPLASH !!!


:D :rolleyes: :D

Miller the T-4 is the 41 Apache we cut frames from the digital Boat and Built a One-off with different Strakes ,Straight and a new Vented bottom It is a core-cell bagged epoxy job..

The new 41 they have is a convential VEE

Steve 1
 

We've mixed it up a few times in the past about the "new" and "old" Apaches, but I've got to say that I have a new appreciation for the position you were in, and are in now.

Sounds like a raw deal.

I have to agree with Carl re: your new, mellow-style. It's great!

Good luck to you.

The new 41 deck has sharp sweet crisp 2005 lines to it.Done by Mr Steve Wilson and setup for and around one of MY building systems; not to be tried by amateurs.

Hey Thanks Pete and My Best Regards

nuttin:D

Thanks Steve. In your opinion, will the T-4, vented bottom 41 be finished? If so, when will it be?

Also, when will a new, 41, conventional bottom be finished? A lot of the negativity and conjecture could evaporate if/when any new boat is released from this company, regardless of the name on the side.

Agreed Steve, thats twice in one week we agree on something :), but Mark M did nothing wrong and doesn't deserve this lawsuit.

Thad has some legitimate claims, but they aren't against Mark M or Bob Saccenti. There were other people invovled in this mess....................

I agree that this whole thing is a mess. But, Mark M has done nothing wrong. If money changed hands when Thad bought what he thought was the Apache trademark then somebody should be held accountable. That somebody should not be Mark Mcmanus. He bought the trademark legally from the government and I am sure his lawyers have all the documentation proving that. It was over 5 years ,I think, after Mark left working for the Government that he bought the trademark.

I have no problem with Thad or his company except for the fact he is suing Mark M for a problem Mark had nothing to do with creating.

2

Welcome to OSO.
You have got to be one of Thad's dozen lawyers. Raising doubt about everyone except Thad the innocent. Thad the victim.
Already your trying to discredit McManus, a boatbuilder with an impeccable reputation. You sound sorry about it...a nice touch. A guess that's what 3 million will buy. Silver tongued scumbags in suits.

4

I thought Bobby split with Krammer and started a differnt Apache. Isn't that what Thad bought?

Why hasn't this ben moved to the Apache forum?

If Thad decides to sue that Ben, he'll have to move into the prison forum.