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I know I should already KNOW the answer to this question but I can only speculate, Can anyone tell me what a fully rigged pleasure 47 weighs in at????????????
Do-able with an F350 with diesel 4x4 with 4.11 gears? 5th wheel of course!
Anyone? Anyone?
Buehler,,,,,,,,buehler!

Thanks
Jason

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It'll pull it .... just make sure the trailer has GOOD Brakes !!!

Weight ... 18,000 # or MORE !!!

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Could you tell me which Apache 47 you are referring to?

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The one down at TNT
White with Pinkish Indian Head down the sides.
Blower hatches. Trip 900's
Price keeps dropping and dropping.
Mr McManus, Do you know anything about this particular boat?
I dont believe it has a name or at least it is not pictured.

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That boat is on Long Island as of this summer.

It's all of 18,000 lbs or more!!!

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The last I knew it was here

Falcon High Performance Marine Center
124 Springville Rd, Hampton Bays, NY 11946
(631) 723-0794

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that boat has been for sale for everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :rolleyes:

donz jr mike

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Mike, I know but sometimes a good deal is a good deal
Trip 6's with Trip 1100 SC's the price tag alone on that boat is what you would pay for those engines and drives
Hell the drives and one engine is the price tag of the boat.
Plus its an apache!
This thing on a trailer? Anyone know?
J

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that is Tbonepmp's old boat. PM me and i'll put you in contact w/ him. that boat used to own LOTO......it would represent!!!

chad

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well then why has it been for sale forever and no one wants it?
Mike makes a good point. Whats the deal?
Thanks
J

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now that is cheap!saw it for 135k

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With a little updating on the paint/color/graphics, this could be an awesome boat ... if one could afford the gas. I say go for it!

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Its a thought, Have my house settlment on Friday so let that sort of settle down some first.
I have the dually but I was concerned about towing around a "resin bucket" with trips on a F350. Hot duck went and upped the bar on his 45 with a F550 and now what a F650 or 750?
Just trying to be safe is all.
Dont need to kill anyone while tugging around mount everest behind me!

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1) I may be wrong, but economics has changed some for most.
Not that it stops people from buying big boats, but it seems
to play a factor on which big boat, by some of the facts below.
Biggest and most efficient bang for the long dollar.

2) There building as big, and so much lighter now days. Along
with perfected hulls etc.

3) Going as fast and faster with twins in the newer boats of the same size.

4) So your field is much smaller on those that want to maintain a triple
when they can maintain the same size twin running faster.
Or after market power Vs. factory power.

5) So it goes down to the hardcore apache fan and what you want.
But you are in a very, very small playing field with that large of a boat
with triple's.

Apache's are great, built well, good rough water boats etc. again
it's all in what you want. The name, the build, the room, the speed,
wave crushing ablilities etc. all things that define each individual boat
and there creator.

Just my .02

Cougarman

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but it's not a cigarette or apache and that's where the difference comes in look at mark mcmanus he could have built the new apache twin step but did he nope he kept classic with modern touches. cann't beat classic rustin buckets

mike

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If I am not mistaken,,,when Chip & Jeff where wrenching on it the trailer it was on had air brakes... cause they had to set up a system in Chip's duallie... Could be wrong though...

But that boat is AWESOME... :drink:

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If you want a awsome 47 pleasure you should look at BROKEN ARROW, I just cleaned it before the Luaderdale show. By the time you redo the one above you will have more into it than Mr Adams has BA listed for, just my thoughts. They all are awsome, and KEMOSABE is the best. Donz got to see your bad boy at Grants sweet ride, good luck racing. Steve

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Jayl13,
If you would like any info. on the 1990 47' you posted a picture of above, please feel free to contact me. My father was the last owner of the boat and Peter and myself are the acting brokers for the boat. BTW, you are correct it is a sweet deal and the numbers are right. A lot of hardware for the money and yes there is a trailer.
Regards,
Tony Friedrich
314-581-3532

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dude....quit being so modest and admit that the boat was an awesome machine!!!!

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Tony, NyKamp brings up a point under the surface of what he wrote, this boat has been for sale for a very long time.
The pics of the boat have GOT to be 2-3 years old.
Did the boat suffer during the hurricanes? How "dirty" is it?
Im NOT concerned in the LEAST about dirty or the Paint job whatsoever (baja is more than halfway done being airbrushed, another 5-6 weeks and it will be ready for the water). And yes fella's that is ALOT of MAJOR hardware sitting in the bilge of this animal!
Transom is no slouch either!
Its still a little out of my price range but hey, it came down this far right?
I used to dream about these, Now that my price range has upped the mark some, and the boats decrease in value I am getting closer to these than I ever thought.
Damn it I still want my war party though!

So Tony, outlying question still remains, Whats this sucker weigh in at on that trailer? AIR BRAKES ??? EEEK!
J

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don't think about it,just do it.

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Have my house settlement on Friday, let me get through that first before I just dive into the fuel digger here okay LOL.
How much fuel you think this bad boy can hold?
CANT be some little 200 gallon set of tanks in t his thing.
Got to be 300-400 gallons easy (probalby burn that in an hour anyway)
J

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The trailer probadly has vacum over hydraulic brakes,which are on most of the trailers under apaches. The people that I know that have this stlye of trailer brakes swear by them. Good luck, shopping. Steve

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We were using an F-450 (pictured below) to pull the Top Gun and Gladiator when we were racing. A 350 would have pulled either of those boats with no problems, but with all of the miles that we were traveling, I liked having the bigger brakes and heavier suspension of the 450.

I thought that this truck would be OK for the Apache as well, until we got a total weight for the boat and trailer. The boat weighs almost 13,000 pounds and the ship weight on the trailer was just shy of 7,000 pounds. Now add all of your gear, 400 gallons of fuel in the boat and 100 gallons of fresh water in the tanks on the trailer and you have a LOAD! After putting all of this together, we knew that we had to find a larger truck. There is no doubt that the F-450 would have pulled it, but it would not have been very safe and it certainly would not have been within it's legal weight limits.

After shopping for a few months, we decided to go with a Peterbilt from Texas Trucks (pictured below). We sold the F-450 and then flew to Dallas to pick up the Pete. The Pete was a 2002 factory demo, but it only had 4,000 miles on it and it looked brand new. The new Peterbilts were quite a bit more expensive, but since this was a demo, we got into this thing for what an F-650 would have cost. I can honestly say that this Pete handles the Apache with no problems at all. It rides really well and is extremely comfortable, but the best part is that it will stop on a dime.

Keep in mind that our Apache is two feet shorter than the one that you are looking at and we don't have a cabin in the bow. Another thing to keep in mind is that the weight of these boats seem to vary quite a bit from one to the other. It seems that if you took two Apaches of the same length, one may weigh quite a bit more or less that the other. To get a weight on that particular boat, I would talk to the current and/or past owners. They should at least be able to give you a "ball park" figure.

As you know, I traveled down the same road you are heading for not too long ago, so please let me know if there is anything that I can do to help. Meanwhile, good luck and happy shopping. :D

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Jayl13: When we bought our Apache, it still had the original Myco under it (pictured below). This trailer was a tandem axle with dual wheels and it had the hydraulic air brakes. It had the potential to be a really nice setup, but it was in bad shape and had a substantial amount of rust in a few areas.

After comparing quotes to repair that trailer with a quote for a new trailer, we opted to build a new trailer (pictured below). This time we went with a triple axle Myco with electric over hydraulic disc brakes. We chose to go with a triple axle over a tandem axle with dual wheels simply because it is easier to change a flat tire on a triple axle (compared to changing the inside tire on a dual wheel setup) and there are only six tires to replace when it comes time rather than eight (not including the spares). As for the brakes, we chose electric over hydraulic because that seems to be the most common setup. This will be helpful in the event that we ever need the boat transported anywhere.

If you purchase this boat and the trailer has hydraulic air brakes, you do have a few options. You can add the air brake setup to your F-350 or you can convert the trailer from air to electric over hydraulic brakes. I don't know the cost on either of these options, but that is what we were facing before we decided to replace the trailer mentioned above. Again, if I can help at all, please let me know.

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Damn Will, Thats one MOTHER of a setup to cruise down the road with.
National marine had a 47 with trips too on a 5th wheel myco as well (like anyone of us would buy anything now from national repo or whatever they are calling themselves this week)
Looked good from the pics but then again the pic with the 45 on it on the myco with the pintle hook in the front looks Solid as well and if you are telling me that it was not Ill believe you.
When I worked at apache they had bought that International rig similar to your pete, but I think they overpaid, but then again thing had dvd players, tv's ect you name it.

Tbone, have any pics of this 47 on the trailer?
What condition was the trailer in anyway? Brand?
Thanks
Jason

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I don't want to step on anyone's toe's here, but there are a couple things in this paragraph that you REALLY need to look at !!!! First , that pic above is at least 7-8 years old , not 2-3.
Second, the fact that the ask is "a little out of my price range" is the LEAST of your worries !!! The operating costs to run a 47 Apache with triple 1100's will make the purchase price seem like picking up the dinner tab !!!! :eek: The truck , trailer and what brakes it has should be the LEAST of your concerns man ... COOL boat ? ... yes ! Remotely economical to run/maintain ? NO ! Dude , you worked at Apache .... you should be immune to this bug by now !?!?!?!?! :D

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Jayl13,
The boat weighs about 18,000lbs., on the trailer you are looking at about 24,000lbs.
The trailer is a tandem dually Myco with a pinnel hitch, storage boxes, and hydraulic air brakes. No damage during the hurricanes due to the fact that the boat has been up at Falcon since the first of the year.
Regards,
Tony Friedrich
314-581-3532

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I am Immune thats for sure!
No I realize its expensive to run, But when you think about it they all are (but I get what your saying about this being more than most)
Plus I am not one to go out and run WOT for 8 hrs a day either.
Hell I stroll up the ICW, go to Lake boca, run down to port everglades, up to peanut, maybe to Jupiter ect.
For being in Florida, I have not used the baja that much (then again I am airbrushing it from front to back so its been high and dry for 7 weeks now)
Also I just asked how heavy it was and if it could be towed by an F350 dually not IM BUYING THIS what type of truck do I need!
Never hurts to kick something around though.
and I could update the look of that boat something fierce too, that would be awesome!
Baja looks KILLER so far and i'm only half done painting it.
J

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I believe this was a "hull and deck" Apache 47 originally rigged by Bobby Moor's custom marine.

I personally would make only a short "local trip" with a 47' on an F-350. Within the state, we use our F-650 Cat diesel with air bags for suspension at 65# pressure. Out of state, we use our T-2000 Kenworth.

For years, drivers have used F-350's, but, for the same dollars, you can buy a good used diesel rig designed for that type service. With an F-350, the boat and trailer controls you to some extent, no matter what your brakes or suspension. I do not advise an F-350 to tow an Apache 47'.

Mark McManus

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Hot Duck, Is your old trailer available?

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well my storage facility is dirt cheap and they can offer me inside storage (on trailer) for about 145 a month (paying 111 for baja)
Taxes, Thats a one time thing no biggie, but the insurance on trip 1100's now THATS gonna hurt!
Fuel, Well the ICW has limits that you must (yeah right) follow so most of your time is spent driving like an old man, Now with a boat like this dont think for a second you would catch me in the ICW, This is wide open ocean going wave smasher here boys!
Robert, I hear you, LOUD and clear on the expenses.
Also what I figured was an F450 on up would be more suited to tote this animal around.
So you guys still have the toasted 47 war party?
Pick that up cheap, restore it and wait for my 41 war party and own both!
NOW THATS thinking big (and probably the biggest waste of money as well) but it would be cool none the less.
Scott Grady said 47 war party was salvageable but would cost 4 arms and 8 legs to get it back to what it once was.
J

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Still sitting on the dually trailer it was on before?
got any pics of it?
When I was at Miami last year, Some fellow came in and said he owned it and bought it for 3 grand.
(honestly at that show I did not know who to believe and who not to.)
I must have met and talked with a few thousand people over that week.
Thank god Ill never have to do that again!!!!!!!!!!
Jason

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I have the dually but I was concerned about towing around a "resin bucket" with trips on a F350. QUOTE]
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Supercrewzer is nice but im sure the wife would LOVE that sitting in the driveway and for that to be my daily driver instead of the dually!
Seeing all this crazy amount of stuff you need to do not just the boat on the back Ill stick with the 41 apache!
I can tote them around no problem without having to break the bank, sell my testicles to science lab, just to get it from storage to the ICW ramp. (all of 10 minute drive) like a 47.
Now I see why that boat has been sitting unused for quite some time and is dropping in price.
J