30 outlaw
 

how fast is a 30 outlaw on gps w/ 496 hos or with 525s

Re: 30 outlaw
 

HO'S ABOUT 76-78 80+- With the right props ect


525's 90+ I heard that the prototype boat hit 92 but it ran out of prop and that boat was 700 lbs heavier than production boats so it should be in the mid 90s with the right set up

Re: 30 outlaw
 

76 is about rite with ho,s but 90+ with 525 is hard to believe due to the fact that the 525 is only 100 hp more than the ho. that ia about 5 to 7 more mph tops.

Re: 30 outlaw
 

ive heard of the 30 hitting around 77-78 gps with hos. 525s i would say mid 80s. ive never seen one with 525s but that i thing would be awsome.

Re: 30 outlaw
 

I test drove the 30 with HOs my dealer had and we hit 78 on GPS on less than ideal conditions.

The 30 that Hawkeye had with 525s hit 88.7 on GPS with the stock 30" props. I know they were playing around with some different pitch props, and were hoping to hit 90 with it.

Re: 30 outlaw
 

Not to argue but I have been on two 30's and both hit 78 + on gps bone stock.

I would think that 525's dialed in with all the right jewelry should be real close to 90+.

At any rate both set ups are great but the 525's are just tooo much $$$$$./

Re: 30 outlaw
 

Hello everyone I’m a new member and was just getting ready to ask this same question.
I own a new 2005 30 Outlaw with HO’s and 4 blade Bravo props which has just recently been run-in and since the best number I have seen with ½ tank two people is 74 GPS but only once, 72 is solid and all she wants to do. I’m disappointed with 72 and I’m starting to wonder if something is wrong with my boat looking at all these number posted here. People running high 70’s stock, and 80 with lab props. Granted I’m only turning 4500~4600 RPM but find it hard to believe I will get another 8 MPH from 500 RPM. Since I’ve seen 74 even thought just once, I believe 76 may be possible in my boat with lab props.

So why so slow, maybe it’s due to my boat having so many options that add weight, SST, AC/DC Galley, Livorsi GPS Speedo, Dual Batteries, Transom Shower, 9 gal fresh water on board, pump out head, Clarion Performance Plus, 2 amps, 14 Speakers, two remotes w/6 disk CD, Cabin Table, Snap in Carpet, Compass, Quick & Quite Plus, Depth Finder, Pop-up Cleats. I also carry a 17# anchor w/6’ chain and 150’ x ½” rope, Four 25’ dock lines, Three 30” Fenders, an AK 47, 9mm, just the necessities. So who actually owns a 30 that is running these big numbers and at what RMP? What optional equipment does it have and how is it loaded?

Re: 30 outlaw
 

gotta remember the 525's are underrated,,, they are more like 540hp,, so lets say 76 w/ H.O.'s add another 250 hp at 1mph at 18hp and you should see an additional 14 mph so 90 sounds good.. definitely slow w/ 525's though

Re: 30 outlaw
 

my 30 with HO's is 77-78 gps.

-ShoeFly

Re: 30 outlaw
 

4500-4600 is low and you would be suprised to see what you can pick up with 500 rpm.( i wouldnt count on 8 mph)

Re: 30 outlaw
 

Do you trim your drives up when going at WOT?

Re: 30 outlaw
 

Yes, Tabs-up, Trim-up to around 6 or 7+ on the indicator or until I sense ventilation. Speaking of ventilation from 1500 ~ 2800 the boat has no bite whatsoever it takes 3100+ to get enough bite to get on plane I’m guessing this is normal? I start w/tabs down to keep it level and tab all the way up as it planes then start trimming out. Atmospheric conditions have some affect, my boats always ran about 2~3 mph faster at LOTO than in Phoenix. So I believe 77+ in the Midwest, I’ll see what she can do in Havasu later this month. I’ll use this lake elevation and running stats to get the props done and see what that does.

Re: 30 outlaw
 

I run 496 375HP and run 72 GPS all day. (74 Best GPS) with just about the same options you have. That is with 3/4 tank of gas and three people. I run my drives at # 5 and my tabs on # 2. Turning stock bravo 26. Going to move up to 28 and try to pick up a couple of MPH.

Re: 30 outlaw
 

There are a lot of factors that could be influencing your top end, but before spending a lot of money try more trim at WOT. I noticed with our boat alot of trim is required to hit an optimum top speed. Try trimming the boat up even more, you may be surprised to see the speedo climb. I think it is a tradeoff-rpm vs. slip. Slip can be a good think if it is allowing your prop and motor to spin faster creating more HP and speed.

Re: 30 outlaw
 

before wasting money on a 28 i would have the 26 labbed to get a couple hundred more rpms unless your tacking out now. if you have room for more rpms the 28 will slow you down do to the fact you will not spin it fast enough. you want to prop your boat to the max recomended rps so figure out what your at now first before you make changes.

weve all been there and props become a waste of money when thay slow you down.

Re: 30 outlaw
 

AZOUTLAW,
I personally test drove a 30 at the end of season last year with just the 375 mags and hit 74.1 on my GPS. I was reluctant to believe the salesman when he told me 73 to 74 with the mags (I wanted HO's) so I took my hand held GPS and he was right on the money. It was running labbed 26 Bravo's. Just my $.02

Re: 30 outlaw
 

See most agree with me about the speeds. Once again proving I'm not completely full of Chit :evilb: just half full :drink: :drink:

Re: 30 outlaw
 

Im running non labbed 26's and bouncing off the rev limmiter now. Im going to try a set of stock and labbed 28 and see how it goes.

Re: 30 outlaw
 

if your running non labbed 26 now and in the limiter then a 28 should work well for you and you will see some top end increase. if it does not get to max rpms then you could lab the 28 and be there.

good luck

Re: 30 outlaw
 

New numbers, 2005 30 Outlaw, 496 HO, 28p B1 Stock, GPS Speedo.

Lake Havasu
485’ Elevation
Humidity 8%
Temp 101 deg.
Wind Calm
P 4750 RMP
S 4650 RPM
1’ chop
Full Tank, 4 people, loaded with gear 75mph, still on Tattletale.
Half Tank, 2 people 73 mph, go figure….

Lake Pleasant
2100’ Elevation
Humidity 7%
Temp 91 deg.
Wind 7 mph
P 4600 RMP
S 4500 RPM
1’ chop
72 MPH

This boat will not come out of the hole unless you hammer it to 3100+ RMP you cannot come on plane by slowly increasing the throttles, the props loose all bit around 2000 RPM, the engines rev up and the boat loses all forward motion, I was told this is not
normal. This boat must run around 33+ mph to stay on plane I hear this is high. I’m being told the “X” dimension is too high for this boat.

I’m not totally disappointed with the boats (stock) performance, I actually like the fact the boat runs best with a full tank and four people but the gas does not last long. The low RMP’s can easily be solved with the right props but I kinda like the mid range with the 28’s. Some people have recommended I try 26p others like Mercury say lab the 28’s, what to do?. First I’m off to measure my “X” Dimension and will post the number here later; I would be interested to know if all 30 Outlaws have the same “X”.

Any thoughts?

Re: 30 outlaw
 

check the X first and if its higher than stock get the dealer to let you try 5 blades 1st, if the X is stock then go for labbing the props through one the shops on hear. you want your rpms to be 5000 to 5200 your loading down the motors running at 4500 not good. art

Re: 30 outlaw w/twin 496HO's
 

Want to be able to get up on plane without punching it at 3000 and have midrange accelleration and the ability to get those props up past the rev-limiter. Add our Raylar BCK103 kits and you'll get this boat to the very respectable high 80's-90's where it probably belongs. We just had two customers with similar 30 foot boats with the same out of the hole up to plane problems. After the kits they are smiling with a big grin for big results. Just thought I would chime in here in defense of the 496HO's over the HP525's

Ray @ Raylar

Re: 30 outlaw
 

stock ho puts out 440ho , put Raylars 103 and get another 100hp, then put cmi's on it and be at 575-580hp for less money than a 525.

Re: 30 outlaw
 

Working with a prop shop I wanted to try 5 blades, I had great success with the High-Five back in 1991 on a Baja 250ES but Mercury said they don’t want 5 blades on this Baja and did not say why. I see that new 30 with the 600’s are trying 5 blades; does anyone know how they worked? As for Raylar & CMI’s I would think the extra HP would also require new Drives, like XR’s. Not that that’s a deal breaker I have a 2-year warranty I want to keep in force. But I agree this boat needs around 600HP to reach it’s full potential.

This boat has X drives and the port Drive blew in Tahoe last week. So in just 45 hrs since new the Port engine has gotten a new ECU, replaced a cracked brass oil fitting that was squirting oil everywhere and now a blown Drive. Starboard seems very reliable but the power is weak. I think my Port is a Wednesday build or something; I have never had a single mechanical problem with Mercury stuff until now.

In Tahoe I ran 22p 4 blade Bravo 1’s, top speed 64MPH GPS with Port at 5000rpm (finally) and Starboard around 4850rpm WOT. I was also able to get on plane without hammering it to 3000 so these props made a huge difference getting out of the hole. The boat came with 28p 4 blade and it just can’t spin them so I’m going to try 26p and I agree with AIR TIME 5 blades! I still need to check that X dim, in any case I still want to try 5 blades but not sure what pitch or brand to try, any suggestions?

Re: 30 outlaw
 

I would try the P5X in a 24P call throttle up, they are in st. petersburg FL. ask for julie. But if you dont get the five blades which I personally dont think you need, just have your 28P labbed and thats the perfect prop for you. I think you will spin them at 4900 to 4950 and get a solid 75 on the gps.
John

Re: 30 outlaw
 

I've been reading your post and just went through a similar problem with my 2004 30 OL with mags. The dealer I brought it to tested it with 26P and found it hitting rev limiter. I have 28P now and am running 4750 RPM's and still have to go to 3000 RPM to get on plane. The dealership explained to me that this was the way the boat runs for this model and there was no change. They told me to hit 3000 and then slowly move up the throttles and leave the drives at 2-3 and the tabs all the way up for optimum speed. I now get 77-78 MPH on speedo with mags. The props aren't labbed yet but was told about 1 MPH increase labbed.

Red

Re: 30 outlaw
 

I saw the hand held GPS on a 30 OL with 496 HO's at the Lake travis Poker Run this year and it said 81 MPH.

It was smoking. They had a borrowed set of props from Hawkeye Marine that were pretty trick.

As for 525's, check out the following pictures. This was the first one built with 525's.

There was recently one delivered to Tennessee with 600's and I here it is a hand full.

Re: 30 outlaw
 

wow, thanks doc. now i want one with 5252s

Re: 30 outlaw
 

Notice two people, 3/4 tank of fuel and FLAT water.

That thing carries the bow like nothing I have seen before.

The flat water would have slowed my 36 by 4 MPH!

Re: 30 outlaw
 

I have a 30OL SST with HO's, stock 28's, 4 batteries, and a 3.5kw generator (weighs 170 lbs), a/c, shorepower, refrig, microwave, etc. In late April, with 4 people and 1/2 tank of gas, I was able to reach just over 76 (almost 77) on the gps speedo at around 4900-4950 rpms. This was on very flat, glassy water. As the hot Texas temps have been going up, my speed has slowly been diminishing. Last weekend I was running a consistent 72 (ranging from a full tank to almost empty as the weekend went by) but never saw more than 73 and I believe I was only hitting around 4600 rpms. I think the heat and humidity plays a big factor on speed numbers this time of year!

Can't wait to play with the props a little bit. I'll never see the 81mph that Dock mentioned above because Darrell's boat has a higher X dimension and a lot less weight on board, but high 70's would be nice!

Re: 30 outlaw
 

WOW for flat water tht thing is moving. Like Doc said look at hte bow. You would think its coming off a 2 ft swell.

I agree. I lose about 3 mpg in glass water :( I like 2 foot swells
I plan on trying out some 28 labbed prop in my 29OL with HO's
Dennis

Re: 30 outlaw
 

Doc, do you know what part of TN it was delivered to? A customer or dealer?

Re: 30 outlaw
 

If I understood right it was the dealer up near Chattanooga on the river.

The first comments I heard lead me to believe it is too much power for the hull. Got very loose above 94- 95 MPH, and was a little scary from what I was told.

I can only imagine how that thing accelerates!

Re: 30 outlaw
 

My 30 OL has the HO's and I'm running labbed 28's tuned up to 29" I had the props done at the " prop shop" in Lake HAvasu. The dealer did on water testing and he stated to me that he saw a strong 81 speedo at 4900 RPM's, this is with 3 adults and 5/8 tank of fuel. But when I used it all I could et was 76MPH at 4,600 RPM's. My trim only up to 3 on the gauge. Any higher and the boat chine walks badly! I tried addind 400 plus lbs. to the bow and what a difference. I was able to trim up to 7-8 and I hit 76-78MPH at 4,800 RPM"s. Now if I can run minus the 400 lbs lighter I might be able to hit the 81. The only problem is I get alot of chine walk above 75MPH and with any positive trim. I need to find a way to keep the bow down at positive trim settings. I just wonder how the "prop shop" did it with all the chine walking.

Re: 30 outlaw
 

I dont think you will be that high on hp. Bob Lloyd with Full Throttle Marine did that exact package, Raylar with CMI's on a 496. On the Propshaft dyno it made 492hp.

Re: 30 outlaw
 

I over trimed the first 30 we drove bad and was surprised by the chine walk.

The boat simply does not need a lot of trim.

Keep the bow weight low, and do not over trim for maximum speed.

I'm not sure what the max recommended RPM is for the 496 HO, but you definately need to get your RPM's up. I would try smaller props.

Re: 30 outlaw
 

The recomended RPM for the HO's is 4,800 - 5,000 RPM's. I agree as the boat is very trim sensitive.The only problem those props are deep in the water. I wonder putting 2" smaller lowers will help or take some cup or rake out of the props.

Re: 30 outlaw
 

River_Rat

I have mags that are getting 77-78 speedo with my drives at 2-3 and my k-planes all the way up with 28 pitch props on my 2004 30 OL. This was at the dealer with 3 adults and a full tank of fuel at 4750 RPM's. I would think you're in the ball park once you trim up your tabs an keep your drives down.

Red

Re: 30 outlaw
 

Is that a gps speedo? What's your weather like there (outside temps)?

Re: 30 outlaw
 

My results are with the tabs all the way up! I need to bring my drives up to bring up the RPM's. I can only run at full throotle safely at Trim set a 2-3 and tabs 7-8. But I only get 4,600 RPM"s at 75 MPH I tried the opposite and with my grive up to 6-7 and tabs about 3-4 I get 4,900 RPM's at 76MPH. With the tabs down you can actually feel the boat fight the drag from the tabs. The best run I got was with 5 adults and 400 plus pounds in the bow. I had my trim up to 7 and tabs all the way up and I hit 76MPH at 4,800 RPM"s. I know if i subtracrted all the weight I would be able to see that 81 MPH that the "prop shop " saw! But the boat is very squirrly with positive trim.