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JasonSmith 05-15-2007 07:47 AM

In all honesty, I can't believe Tyler sent me the program he did. I'm VERY dissapointed in the tune he sent me. It wouldn't even idle. When we cracked the code & got into the computer it looked like a 3 year old's art project. Fuel curves were all over the board along with the spark advance & about every other paramater.
I now have the ability to tune the MEFI3 computer & am doing so now. I have a motor man who knows what he is doing & we are working with a dyno facility in Hennesey, Oklahoma.

jryan26 05-15-2007 09:00 AM

Let me know on the hydros...I'll be in that chit hole you call a home town on Wed or Thurs of this week....:D

JasonSmith 05-15-2007 10:37 AM

Bring them! I'm going to go to Eldorado Wed.

Smitty 05-15-2007 11:48 AM

Jason
From my personal experience you can set them perfect on the dyno and they will run very different IN the boat. I dyno'ed my motors with Tyler and they were perfect. Put them in the boat and the fuel was all wrong. We put wideband oxygen sensors in the CMI's and went out and reset the fuel at 200 rpm intervals. Man what a difference.

Good Luck !!!

Make sure to watch your fuel pressure at max rpm/boost.

JasonSmith 05-15-2007 02:19 PM

I'm running 7lbs of boost @ 45psi of fuel all on the stock injectors.

tunertech 05-16-2007 08:30 AM

hey guys this all sounds real interesting

JasonSmith 05-16-2007 11:02 AM

I think I know who tunertech is? Motorman Ben I think?

jryan26 05-16-2007 04:04 PM

I'll be there tomorrow. If I miss you I will leave them at my brothers house maple/tyler.

JasonSmith 05-17-2007 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by jryan26 (Post 2130000)
I'll be there tomorrow. If I miss you I will leave them at my brothers house maple/tyler.

We're splashing the boat again today. If you wanna go, give me a ring.

JasonSmith 05-17-2007 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 2128413)
Jason
From my personal experience you can set them perfect on the dyno and they will run very different IN the boat. I dyno'ed my motors with Tyler and they were perfect. Put them in the boat and the fuel was all wrong. We put wideband oxygen sensors in the CMI's and went out and reset the fuel at 200 rpm intervals. Man what a difference.

Good Luck !!!

Make sure to watch your fuel pressure at max rpm/boost.

I'm not saying hyou are full of sh!t, I don't know jack about programming a computer. My thought is why would a dyno tune be any different than an in the boat tune?

BDiggity 05-17-2007 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by JasonSmith (Post 2130915)
I'm not saying hyou are full of sh!t, I don't know jack about programming a computer. My thought is why would a dyno tune be any different than an in the boat tune?

He is calling u out! :evilb:

Just have it doing 90 by memorial so i can see what its like to control something that fast. :D

BajaRunner 05-17-2007 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by JasonSmith (Post 2130915)
I'm not saying hyou are full of sh!t, I don't know jack about programming a computer. My thought is why would a dyno tune be any different than an in the boat tune?

Engine compartment heat, air flow in the engine compartment, wet headers etc.

When i had mine dyno'd they were done in the boat, hatch closed with full wet exhaust and all accessories. I dont know if its much different, but i know thats the way i run em.

JaayTeee 05-17-2007 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by BajaRunner (Post 2131304)
Engine compartment heat, air flow in the engine compartment, wet headers etc.

When i had mine dyno'd they were done in the boat, hatch closed with full wet exhaust and all accessories. I dont know if its much different, but i know thats the way i run em.


And that was probably with only one engine running
when you dyno'ed it.

Crank up it's next door neighbor, let it start
eminating heat and consuming more engine
compartment air and the numbers go down more.

I've seen more than one boat engine dyno good #'s,
then once it's in the boat, it doesn't produce the gains
expected.

JasonSmith 05-17-2007 10:54 PM


Originally Posted by Baja232Brian (Post 2131284)
He is calling u out! :evilb:

Just have it doing 90 by memorial so i can see what its like to control something that fast. :D

Done! Ran 89 tonight on dead calm water. I couldn't get it to un-stick from the water.

Smitty 05-18-2007 09:53 AM

Jason
Just trying to help a fellow Baja Brother. I am just relating my actual experiences to you. You don't want to believe me that's fine. I just guess you want to have a summer of headaches ****in' with the motors then.

Good Luck

packinheat 05-19-2007 12:36 AM

Over 90
 
Bring your GPS or Radar gun and I will be glad to show anyone interested speeds over 90 out of a 1997 29 outlaw.

JasonSmith 05-19-2007 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 2132251)
Jason
Just trying to help a fellow Baja Brother. I am just relating my actual experiences to you. You don't want to believe me that's fine. I just guess you want to have a summer of headaches ****in' with the motors then.

Good Luck

I'm telling you, that right out of the box on Tyler's second tune my boat wouldn't idle, wouldn't do a darmn thing! He said this tune was done in a boat with my exact setup engine wise.
I now have access to tuning software & have a guy who has my boat running 30 gallons of fuel less per hour, per engine & idling properly, not to mention faster than it would have done otherwise.
So my summer of trouble isn't even going to start because we are done tuning the engines, for the most part and now are on to tuning the drive set-up & selecting propellers.
BTW, my boat ran 89 MPH @ 5400 rpm on stock 28" bravo 1 propellers & a full load of fuel.
So, I'm not knocking what you said, I'm just trying to make sence of why a dyno tune would be different than a boat tune on the bottom end.

JasonSmith 05-19-2007 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by packinheat (Post 2133035)
Bring your GPS or Radar gun and I will be glad to show anyone interested speeds over 90 out of a 1997 29 outlaw.

Tell us whatcha got!

articfriends 05-19-2007 11:44 AM

Jason,I can't wait to hear your final numbers. I'm at a loss as to what went on with your ecu's with tyler but I'm glad you have made progress in the right direction. I'm wondering what it would be like to go 90 plus in a Baja :evilb: ,Smitty
PS-your going to have fun (like I do) running all the "big name" fast boats that are used to whipping up on us Baja owners:D ,wait until you got a 85 mph fountain along side and he's maxed out,trimmed out etc. Let him crawl away like he's beating you by 1/2 mph while you still have throttle left,then the real fun begins when you nail it and pull away. Any time I race anyone anymore thats questionable I hold my boat wide open until I'm a good 10 or 20 boat lengths in front of them sothere is no question as to who was faster. I have ran into a few 90 plus mph boats also though that I couldn't do this to but not too often,those races are just as good because they can't believe a lowly Baja was hangning with them!!!

JasonSmith 05-19-2007 12:39 PM

I like to open it up all the way & but keep it trimmed down a bit. When they start to pull away I just keep trimming it up.

jmeng 05-21-2007 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by packinheat (Post 2133035)
Bring your GPS or Radar gun and I will be glad to show anyone interested speeds over 90 out of a 1997 29 outlaw.

Which boat do you have?

BajaRunner 05-21-2007 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by jmeng (Post 2134849)
Which boat do you have?

a 97 29 outlaw :evilb: :D :evilb:

jmeng 05-21-2007 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by BajaRunner (Post 2134855)
a 97 29 outlaw :evilb: :D :evilb:


Thanks for the informative post smartazz :D :D

BajaRunner 05-21-2007 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by jmeng (Post 2135054)
Thanks for the informative post smartazz :D :D

Im here for ya :D :D

dogghouse 05-21-2007 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by packinheat (Post 2133035)
Bring your GPS or Radar gun and I will be glad to show anyone interested speeds over 90 out of a 1997 29 outlaw.

I think I know what boat this is.....:rolleyes: ..........

http://bajaboatsforsale.com/premiumc...ieds00215.html

JasonSmith 05-21-2007 04:12 PM

Packinheat needs to PM me so we can talk setup stuff.

jmeng 05-21-2007 04:16 PM

Been seeing that one on the classifieds but never noticed it was from around here. Don't think I've ever seen it on the water...

dogghouse 05-22-2007 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by jmeng (Post 2135349)
Been seeing that one on the classifieds but never noticed it was from around here. Don't think I've ever seen it on the water...

He's out there all the time.

jmeng 05-22-2007 09:21 PM

Show's how much I pay attention... :drink:

SSE 05-23-2007 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by packinheat (Post 2133035)
Bring your GPS or Radar gun and I will be glad to show anyone interested speeds over 90 out of a 1997 29 outlaw.

Does the boat chim real bad in the 90's, Mine is almost dangers.

SSE 05-23-2007 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by JasonSmith (Post 2128632)
I'm running 7lbs of boost @ 45psi of fuel all on the stock injectors.

Jason i was told to be running 50 to 54 lbs of fuel at 5lbs of boost but that might be becuase there are two differant setups.

Mine 30 to 34 lbs at idle
and 50 to 55 at 5lbs of boost

JasonSmith 05-23-2007 05:07 PM

We have the ability to tune my ECMs so we backed the fuel pressure down to 45 & read the sh!t out of the plugs.
It seems to be running great!
What are you running again?

SSE 05-23-2007 05:41 PM

Im have 2 454's with m1 prochargers and intercoolers, inmco drives and 31 labed props

JaayTeee 05-23-2007 10:07 PM


Originally Posted by SSE (Post 2138171)
Does the boat chim real bad in the 90's, Mine is almost dangers.


Have you tried adding a little tab to it ?

My 33 (thats ran 91 and some change), actually runs a mile an hour faster with the tabs just a tick below neutral.

With them up, it's a handfull to handle.

It doesn't act like like it's shoving the nose down, but
more like it's giving it more of an area to ride on.

SSE 05-23-2007 10:44 PM

I have tried the tabs down it helps but it still rocks side to side a little. It seems like the futher you go the more it rocks. I guess I will have to find the sweet spot and deal with it.

JasonSmith 05-29-2007 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by SSE (Post 2138633)
I have tried the tabs down it helps but it still rocks side to side a little. It seems like the futher you go the more it rocks. I guess I will have to find the sweet spot and deal with it.

Yup, that is what I've been looking for. Mine sure will throw the sh!t out of a roostertail if I overtrim it. Looks good to those who don't know better.

kennyo 05-30-2007 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by SSE (Post 2138178)
Jason i was told to be running 50 to 54 lbs of fuel at 5lbs of boost but that might be becuase there are two differant setups.

Mine 30 to 34 lbs at idle
and 50 to 55 at 5lbs of boost

I run right at 30# on a mechanical gauge at idle and my boost referenced regulator runs it up to around 65# at wot. At that point i'm just holding on. My transom is a little more smoked up than I like but it's better than those 2 pistons i'm using for ashtrays.

JasonSmith 05-30-2007 09:55 PM

I set my fuel at 45 for idle & it ramps up to 65 at WOT. You runnign prochargers or Whipples?

liquid asset 05-31-2007 07:33 AM

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we ran 88 first time out not dialed in with 100+ gallons of fuel and loaded with long weekend gear for 4 people, overpropped with hydro 34's @ 4700, felt great at that speed, hydro's felt good, just helping a buddy with this project, its been a long winter

kennyo 05-31-2007 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by JasonSmith (Post 2145852)
I set my fuel at 45 for idle & it ramps up to 65 at WOT. You runnign prochargers or Whipples?

Procharger on a 509. I'm running the 43t gapped at .030 and it wants to load up if I idle too long. I'm running stock ignition. That was why I asked about the higher idle pressure. I'm sure I would foul plugs at 45psi.


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