600 SCi in a 26 outlaw
 

Just saw that as an option on the website, that has to be sick!:cool:
Anyone on here have one?

I think someone out in Cali ordered one, scroll back a few pages and you should find it.

Yeah, I ordered that set up. -Just took delivery about 10 days ago. The boat looks nice and the motor just looks incredible. When I opened the hatch the first time I was just grinning from ear to ear.

Baja ran the chit out of it (1st 5 hours above 5000rpm)- which kinda ticks me off because they neglected to break it in properly. Basically used my brand new boat as a test mule for them ..but on my dime.
-Don't even get me started. I'm not too happy with them right now.

But aside from that, it's pretty impressive. Baja ran it into the upper 70's. The tattletale on the gps looks like 79+
I'd like to see 80 or more but not sure if it is capable with that drive so deep. Not rushing out for any mods right now. It will be awhile before I am 100% used to it. I'm taking my time with it.

I have to say. The engine sounds absolutely incredible on the upper end.
The surge of acceleration from any speed is almost scary.
As expected with a mild blower motor, the idle is fairly mild.

I'll snap some pics if anyone is interested.

Get them pics!

Would love to see some pictures. What prop are you turning?

I'd be VERY pissed about Baja running a brand new boat wide open for 5 hours.... pissed enough that I might have refused delivery. Thats bullchit.

But I still want to see pictures :D

i would be very upset. thats not a cheap package you got there. good luck with it.

Yeah, I've spoken to Mercury about it. Still waiting to speak to Baja.
I'll keep you posted.

In the meantime...
I snapped a few pics this morning, when the dealer came to pick the boat up to take care of a few items (gelcoat blister repair etc.)
I'll try to attach....
That's the salesman, Ellis in the boat.

here are a few more.

Thanks for all the suggestions on the break-in issue. I have documented and photographed everything -just in case it gets ugly. I am looking into the issue. If I'm not happy with the end result I can assure you that I will be very vocal about it.

Prop is a 28p 4 blade. Seems like it could take more, but I haven't spent much time in the upper end yet. Will do soon.

Be sure to let them know you are talking with the guy that purchased one of the original Baja 277's with all the issues! If word gets around maybe all of us will get taken care of...

Chris

BTW -- great looking boat!

Congrats on your new boat. Looks great! There is plenty of space for the 600 in there!
Did you say 5 hours @ 5000 +? That is crazy and not fair on you.
Just as a reference, when I received my ´06 525 last year I scanned the ECU and it showed that Merc Racing had put three hours on the motor at the factory, but at very sensible and varied rpm, with the majority at idle.

79 spund good for a start. You will see some more as you get some hours on it and I would bet that a labbed 30" is going to be the right prop. It is too much for my 525.

Enjoy the boat. Looks like it may be the first one out of the factory!

Wow -- You have some complaints about baja to TBM website and offer to sell the boat for 30K less than you paid with only 22hours becuase of all the problems and the fact that you have to pay out of pocket for warranty items and you get banned!


I guess they know the boat sucks!

Banned from TBM because he's vocal about the screwing he took? I'm not a member over there so I can't read the story.

Sorry about the luck dude.

There are two sides to every story -- The guy offered me 30k less then I paid he said ok then backed out. I said typical and then was banned and threatened to be hit in the head with a brick by the forum owner....

"You are to ****ing far gone, man! If I had a brick, I would bang it upside your head as you are on thick sum *****. --- This is from TBM

So who is this person on TBM saying this? Guess I'm missing something here.

The break in procedure on a 525 says keep the revs below 4500 rpm, but also implies that the motor doesn´t need to be mothered. They are hand built motors, assembled to precise tolerances. Important, in my view, is that you change the oil at 10 hours and at 20 hours. I try to run a 25 hour routine after that.

The motor mounts look good on your 26. The harness routing on the inside of the transom looks like the usual production boat chaos.
I bet the handling and mid range performance are amazing.

I ordered a new Baja once. When the boat came in it had an "issue" with the dimples on the floor. It seems it was removed from the mold too soon. I refused the boat until they 1) fixed the floor to my satisfaction and 2) gave me another $1500 off the price. The VP of sales called me and said it really amounted to "just a scratch on the hood". I told him it was "his scratch on the hood" and he can keep his boat. He authorized the repair and the discount later that day. Keep working them as hard as you can. You paid alot of $$$$$ you should be happy.

Just ask Baja! I'll bet they work with you!!

Dd

I've been asking for a phone number from the dealer for a week.
Didn't know getting a phone number from the mothership was so difficult?? If they don't get it to me soon I will contact them myself.

I certainly want to allow them the opportunity to rectify the situation.

It's really up to them. If they are fair they'll keep me as a customer and dozens of others that I will influence and everyone wins. If they are not fair than the opposite will occur. Time will tell.

I love the boat and don't want this to turn into a bad experience. This is supposed to be fun. I'd like to keep it that way.

Area code 419
1520 Isaac Beal Rd, Bucyrus, OH 44820

Here is a fax number for Baja 865-971-6716

You may want to take this approach. If they feel that their treatment of your new $30,000 motor wasn't out of line, tell them to back it up with a FREE 2 year extended warranty. I f any or all of their treatment was outside of what Mercruiser suggests, tell them to give you the extended warranty or a new engine. Its too bad you have already given them your money.
When I had my problem with the floor, I asked them if they felt if the issue was cosmetic or structural (sp). They told me it was strictly cosmetic. I then pulled out the warranty coverage statement which clearly said that they were not responsible for any cosmetic problems once I took possession of the boat ( this is common in the boat business). Since the boat was still theirs, I told them to do the repair and bump up my rebate..... or just keep their boat.
This was one fight I finally won !

Extended Warranty is a great idea. I was thinking that was an option as well. Mercury doesn't offer them but they gave me a few ideas.

nice looking boat. Don't blame you for being warm over the way they treated your boat. Can't understand why they wold do that to yours.

They never put the 600sci in the 26. Mine was the first.

They felt they needed to do some prop testing.
But instead of building and testing one themselves,
they waited til someone ordered it,
then did their testing. alot of testing.

Worse yet, they did not follow any reasonable break-in procedure, logging 5 hours 23 minutes above 5000rpm in less than 7 hours total run time.

nice eh?

What is max RPM for that motor ?

socalstone,

I would not let this go, this would be completely unacceptible.

over 5 hours at WOT, that is worse than a demo boat.

document everything, and keep detailed notes, you got something here.

Chris

That sucks! Sh#t would hit the fan bigtime! Good luck and hopefully they will make it worth your while.
It is not like they don;t have access to build their own and try it and then sell it off as used

Unbelievable!

Baja is one of the biggest builders, if not the biggest, and they wait until a customer orders the 600sci to test one. This is an outrage!

Hope they make it right for you... I would contact the Attorney General's office in your state because they sold you a demo for the price of new.

btw, beautiful setup.

This is definately the approach I would take. I would push for a new motor and drive if that approach doesn't work then go for the additional 2 year extending warranty on drive and motor with no exclusions, no deductible. Brunswich is a HUGE company there is no reason for your boat to have more than a couple 1/10th of a hour on it to make sure it was right at the factory. I've got #'s if you need them, but your better off letting your dealer handle it, if he doesn't let me know.

Thanks for the support everyone. it's much appreciated.

The dealer hasn't been any help on this issue -they basically just gave me the runaround for two weeks and failed to produce a simple phone number.

So, I ended up calling myself first thing Monday. I have spoken to a few people at baja, but nothing has been resolved yet.

I'll keep you posted.

ps- CMC- "Full Throttle RPM Range" is 4800-5200.
I think the cpu limits max rpm to 5400.

Did you ever get any resolution on this?

If memory serves me Powerboat tested a 26 with a 525 and topped out at 72 MPH. If that is the case how is 79 possible with the 600?

First of all, the 72mph is a ridiculously low result for a 525 in a 26.

75 mph is probably what the boat can do on a motor with some hours on it and in clean choppy water (which non step Bajas like best).

Second, one boat test gave the HO powered boat only 61 mph, but another credited it with 67 mph!?

And finally, a Howard 28 Bullet tested at 80 mph with the 525 and nearly 90 mph with the 600. 9+ mph difference between the two motors in the same hull (a much flatter decked, and with 2° less vee than the OL).

I reckon that a well dialed in 26 will do 84 mph, and will be probably one of the safest 26 footers to do that speed in.

So lets say best case cenario is 67 mph with an HO. I've always been under the interpretation you gain 2 MPH per 50 HP's. The difference between the HO and 600 is 175 HP's. That would be a gain of 7 MPH. Added to 67 would top out at 74MPH.

Not trying to be difficult, just trying to learn and sypher threw to the facts about the ratio between horse gain and top speed.

Neil

I've always figured 1 mph per 15 hp in that size range....

The question is a valid one. This discussion can go on for a long time, and there are already plenty of threads about this issue.

It all starts with the horsepower ratings. Although there are many who see it differently, it would seem that a 496 (425)horsepower rating is at the crankshaft, but a blue motor at the prop. So the difference between 496 (425 crank) hp and 525 (560 crank) hp is actually around 135hp.
When looking at the 600, you have to take into account that it is additionally a blower motor, bringing a big step up in torque, which helps 600hp to go a little further with the right prop.

However, even this explanation doesn´t entirely justify why the Howard gained so much speed between the two blue motors, but it did it anyway. The 600 is just, plain and simple, a damned good motor.
Mercury Racing´s (since the 525EFi) policy of rating their motors conservatively, makes it difficult to justify the cost at purchase, but adds to the satisfaction, once the boat is out on the water!