A T/S gun rides just as good as any straight bottom
Cigs ride that I've ridden in, and does it about 10 mph faster
too, and without the porpoise;)

it will porpoise at slower speeds... at the end of the video I got into it more and she levels out... guns porpoise more then mistress... read about em... but most of it is how its trimmed and speed in almost all boats... the notched transom in a gun makes em ride with more bow lift...
stepped boats don't ride the same... they are lighter and a lot more hull out of the water... yes faster... but I was nit talking about speeds here... come on... mine runs 63..... but rides good...

in the end... thread is a out talking trash.. I never did talk trash about Baja...

Slightly "off topic" but, if anyone knows of a Cig Mistress for sale reasonable, please let me know, I have been "casually looking" for a few years now and had little luck, found one for 180K and one for 200K, which is ridiculous in my opinion for a 10 year old, 30 ft boat with stock power. That kind of money would put you in a newer 1075 boat with #6's in this economy. IF I could find one reasonable, I would put the extra cash together and buy it and skip the 29Outlaw I am looking for now, if not, I will buy a 29 Outlaw until I can afford my Outerlimits (which will probably be QUITE some time)

Thanks!
Michael

Do you know how many times a summer I hear about the old " wave crushing hulls" as compared to my newer twin step hull ??? I have yet to see it, and I still fly by them.

Why does it seem that everyone that has a boat built in the 80's wants to talk about how it is better in the rough stuff? Race courses are about as rough as a see can get, with giant cross wakes added into the already rough seas. I have never seen a race team pull out their 1979 "old faithful" to run on a rough days.

We can respect your hull and the heritage that came along with it, however you don't need to dog the newer stuff to try to make your look better, there is a reason they changed them

You cannot compare a race boat to a pleasure boat, stepped boats are faster well... we all know that, that also comes with lighter layup, both sacrafice some ride quality, its a fact...UNLESS you have a full race hull you are not riding as good due to weight alone.... in my case mine is approx 10,000+ plbs... whats yours weigh?? thats right a lot lighter..

I didny say stepped hulls ride bad but they are for sure different... thats all I said... I been on MANY of both stepped and non step... many times

Come to western Lake Erie in 6 footers we can go for a spin...

Mine is 8900 lbs, 20 years newer, and will touch 90 mph.

I boat on lake ontario, you know....the bigger lake to your north.

Again, I can't get over guys with older boats always falling back on the wave crushing thing as a cry for respect.

If you want to go a spin you better hope for some conditions that somehow slow me down, but yet you ride faster.....otherwise you will be 30 mph behind me. I haven't seen it yet, nor do I expect to see it. My boat does just fine in the rough stuff, ever heard of a fountain?

Bottom line is I don't face conditions every day that make me think about wave crushing capabities. In fact, isn't there something better to do if the weather is truely that bad? I know a guy that captains a 600 ft frieghtliner, I do not argue wave crushing with him, or payload.....and he doesn't argue speed, looks, or fun with me.


My answer to the "my boat is a wave crusher, your new ride is crap is"

Reliability
Fuel
Looks
Comforts
Technology
Speed
Wow factor
acceleration
ammenities
resale
parts availability


Get over it dude, we are all boaters. If you are trying to convince me you are holding on to your 85 cig because you don't like the new cigs....I'm not buying it.

Your video is nothing I haven't seen on the fountain, and maybe it is just a camera mic thing but your boat sounded like a loud smack/crack on every landing.

bigger lake with more swell type water.. I will however say the 38 FOuntain I was on was far less impressive then any other newer 38 foot boat I been on...I can be assured your faster and newer but I would get there with no bruises... I am plenty reliable and very poleased with everythign about my boat, your right, if I wanted a payment I could easily have a stepped hull faster boat but I don't want a payment...

yes I have heard of a Fountain.... I will not go there with all the comments I hear and read about them let alone my experience riding in one...I will say the 42 is a WAY better riding Fountain then the 38... 2 different boats all together... I'm happy with my ride and as far as it slamming I bet anything it lands softer then yours....

I am not gonna go back and forth, I said my opinion you said yours... I know someones always bigger more expensive and faster.... I'm ok with that...

What were we talking about again?? :duel:

trash talk!! I'm done! oops

I've been reading these posts for 2 years and have seen alot of negative posts about Baja and don't know why. I don't know if it was you that trashed them on the Cig forum but I thought i would chime in as I feel the 36 outlaw is a good boat with the same parts and building process as the other brands. Maybe i got defensive but wanted to know why the hate when i've never had any problems with mine.

touche, and I will go as far to say I am very impressed with the newer T/S guns vs the old cigs and 35 mistress.

BTW, I am on the east end of Ontario, you know then end that sees wave the most due to the fact that we have a prevailing west wind for the most part. They break, and they get big.....make no question. I also boat on oneida lake, which is an average of 20 ft deep, you would be suprised how rough it can get. White cap swells.

But why argue on the internet. You are gonna say your waves are rougher, and your boat does better in them......blah blah blah.

I love my boat, have never seen anything it can't handle, just get tired of the old cigs guys talking about hitting 8-10 waves that we see maybe once a year.

My tractor can pull a house down, but doesn't make for a great ride to work

I was about to question WHY a Cig guy and a Fountain guy where trashing each others stuff on a BAJA forum, LOL

1000 Islands Poker Run is this weekend, come on up and settlet the arguement here! LOL

If either one of you needs a co pilot, let me know, they are BOTH pretty nice rides, enjoy what you got, worry LESS about what the "other" guy has, everyone's happy, isn't that what its about?

They like all other manufacturers have had ups and downs, some more then others..

I will not say my Baja was a bad boat, but there were a lot of thing overlooked even being older boat compared to others, I also know a ton of guys with them and some have had some issues and some not as much..

I seriously think they are underrated and also think a lot is due to how they are ran and taken care of...

didnt really try to derail thread but you know how that goes...

I'm immune to all the trash talking....I dont care anymore....most of the reasons for have all
ready been covered.

My comments were on the ride quality of a TS top gun vs. a sraight bottom Cig.

Have you ridden in a TS Top Gun ?.

As far as I'm concerned, they ride just as good as the straight bottom cig's I've ridden in,
and do it faster, without porpoising.

The only thing you do notice is some water noise from the water coming off the steps.

Once I drove one, I knew it was going to be the next boat I own.

I didn't do it as a Cig thing... I did big water with my Baja too :)

I agree, no matter WHAT you own, someone is gonna "know somebody" who had bad luck with one [or Good luck with one, depending] The trash talk is really stale and I '[usually] try to stay out of it myself. I know my boat is no "world beater", but, it gets me out on the water, I enjoy it, so do my friends and family, and I dont owe on it.

I guess its like the Chevy/Ford/Dodge arguements, people have argued about the merits and downfalls of each since before I was born, and will do so long after I am gone, but, it really hasn't changed anything, has it?

That does it, i'm going to buy a 38 t/g tomorrow.
Just kidding :lolhit:

yes I have... been in ...

35 mistress...

35 Cafe

38 TS gun

46 AMII RR

cant remember if any other Cigs..

All ride great, but the heavy straight bottom seemed to crush more thats all, I ner said TS boats dont do it... its just different..

The same can be said for a 540 Sea Ray ;)

I prefer how they knife through and ride up on top
of the waves though, and in a level fashion:D

Dont stop now! This thread is entertaining!

Blow me!! LOL

Now thats funny!!!! LMAO

funny stuff right there!

What are you doing this isn’t boat trader?? :duel:

I would buy one again

I tried the Boat Trader, there was nothing in it except 30ft Bajas with Twins for 20K or less...... He He He

LMAO... funny chit!

OH snap! Why are you being such a dick!?!? Oh wait I know why:thankyouthankyou:

Back to the original subject:
When somebody builds a 33' boat with as much cockpit room as mine call me. Till then they can all keep shuffling things around to make room for people/coolers/ etc. wave crushing hull comes in handy about ummm 5% of my boating but the "dance floor" amount of cockpit space is priceless the 95% of the time. Rigging may be better on other boats but the wiring runs on the INSIDE of my boat and out of view so I`m ok with that :lolhit:
I looks around in the classifieds and unless I`m going Black Thunder everything else is a downgrade in space, no thanx

You guys need to lighten up a little. If a recent thread is bothering you then you definitely wouldn't have liked it back in 2001-2002 when the Baja and Scarab guys were going at it like a couple of neighborhood gangs. It went on for months. Got mildly ugly too. But everyone knew how to take it.

Buck

The wiring... LOL

I watched the video...... Didn't see any 4-6 footers.... Perhaps you're overestimating your wavecrushing ability because you're overestimating the size of the waves? Just sayin'....

Nah, if you were there you would know.... I cant help the boat did just fine, sorry..you cant hang...dont forget 35 foot of boat spans waves pretty well...

In his defense video does make waves look smaller.

However, any modern offshore boat of similar size still would have walked him that day. When you can only do 50 mph, your boat and interior are dated, you find yourself talking about wave crushing all day

I dunno...I've walked a few modernsin bigger water with my Baja...I'm pretty confident I still can with the cig....

as far as being dated.... I kinda like having the 68 Shelby of the boating world..... a great good looking offshore classic that rides better then a fountain.... Im pretty proud of my boat as I was with my Baja too... if u wanna talk speed...come down here and u can run my buddy's pos 353 formula since you think your the fastest thing on the lake... :)

353....now there is a nice boat, stepped hull, modern tech, I like it!

Never said I was the fastest thing on the lake, just faster than your wave crusher.

In a way I am defending OSS from the trolling of YOU, the guy that jumps on threads and praises how you have the best rough water boat in the world, and lake Erie has the most treacherous boating conditions in said world.

Did it ever occur to you that in your opinion the two best rough water boats are the two that you have owned?

50 mph in the video you posted doesn't impress me, just think if you could have did 75 mph you wouldn't have even known those wave were there :lolhit:

I'm not the first person to jump on any thread and like what I own.. I made a point that its a great rough water boat and my Baja was too for what it was...lake Erie is a pretty rough environment over many lakes and even oceans at times so yes.. that is accurate
not everyone needs a newer modern boat to be happy... I get the same place you do... maybe not as fast but with less bruises I can assure that..fountains are so great too.... how's buisness there? oh yea..Reggie's had tough times....

I was not bashing anyone's boats either till you bashed my dated boat... again.. I love my dated old boat... so I'm good

Great comparison about the Shelby, I agree there is something to be said for a classic, on the OTHER hand a new ZR1 will destroy a 68 Shelby in pretty much every category, for less money. Guess there are 2 schools of thought here, to each there own (-:

your right... and the classic always gets more looks.... :)

its all good.. I don't care his much anyone trashes me.. I'm totally fine with what I have... if I wanted a newer stepped hull I woukda just go get a loan and buy one... I can assure it wouldn't be a Fountain though......

85 Cig Mistress = 68 Shelby?????PLEASE stop it...